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Youth Suicides Declined After Creation of National Hotline

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Re: Youth Suicides Declined After Creation of National Hotline

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Post by spwa4 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #85
spwa4 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... services that use force against individuals. Never ever, ever tell a social worker of any kind that you think of suicide, or that anyone else does. ESPECIALLY not if you're young. Help, or social worker's kind of help, does not help. And getting rid of social workers ... I almost killed one before that happened. All the lip service they make to that force is not the answer. It's lies, cheats and deception on thei…

Consider the possibility that both your experience and those you worked with are not universal. The experience our family had was night and day different from yours. I suspect this varies enormously from country to country, state to state, county to county, and per provider. edit: OP changed their post substantially , and I'm now not quite sure what it's asserting at all.

I don't claim they are. And even if my experience is a 1% case, you still need to make people aware they're a possibility.

And it's far more than 1%.

Re: Youth Suicides Declined After Creation of National Hotline

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Post by mmcdermott »

ceejayoz wrote: post #72
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #66

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Everyone is paying for these resources. It’s fair for everyone to understand why they’re worth it.

Is it? Does this same deal apply to, say, Area 51? Esoteric physics research? The details of mRNA vaccine production? We have experts because we can't all possibly understand everything.

Deep expertise is not a blank check for funding. There is only so much money to go around and at some point you have to articulate your value to those paying for it (in this case, the tax payers and their representatives).

Yes, this means a high level summary generally focused on ends rather than the gory details of the means.

An expert acting in good faith should be able to provide this or, in the spirit of the Feynman technique, I would argue they aren't much of an expert at all.

Re: Youth Suicides Declined After Creation of National Hotline

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Post by ashleyn »

Alupis wrote: post #7
ceejayoz wrote: post #5

About a year ago: https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/trump-shuts-down-lg... > The Trump administration on Thursday afternoon officially terminated the 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline’s LGBTQ Youth Specialized Services program, which gave callers under age 25 the option to speak with LGBTQ-trained counselors. As with the USAID cuts, this killed people.

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If a trans kid calls the suicide hotline and the volunteer suggests they stop wearing dresses to school so people won't bully them, I'm pretty sure the outcome will be far worse than anyone intended. There should be specialists who know how to handle specific kinds of callers.

Re: Youth Suicides Declined After Creation of National Hotline

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Post by ceejayoz »

spwa4 wrote: post #101
ceejayoz wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Consider the possibility that both your experience and those you worked with are not universal. The experience our family had was night and day different from yours. I suspect this varies enormously from country to country, state to state, county to county, and per provider. edit: OP changed their post substantially , and I'm now not quite sure what it's asserting at all.

I don't claim they are. And even if my experience is a 1% case, you still need to make people aware they're a possibility. And it's far more than 1%.

You didn't say possibility, though. You said things like "Never ever, ever" and "It's lies, cheats and deception on their part, nothing more".

I have no doubt that forcible confinement is unfun. I also have no doubt that it's sometimes warranted and the best thing for someone to be able to heal. That you once menaced a social worker into quitting is not, I think, evidence against that.

Re: Youth Suicides Declined After Creation of National Hotline

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Post by [deleted] »

mystraline wrote: post #84
alistairSH wrote: post #73

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The phrase "suicide by cop" didn't create itself out of thin air.

Well, thats usually relegated by someone who wants to die but is too scared to do it. So they find people who legally can, usually by waving an empty gun around. But what I'm seeing is 60% of the people here in the USA are not functionally sustainable economically wise. And that is completely a fixable problem. But given how corrupted our government is, its likely not going to be fixed in the reasonable future (say,…

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Re: Youth Suicides Declined After Creation of National Hotline

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Post by kridsdale1 »

dyauspitr wrote: post #100
umpalumpaaa wrote: post #67

A while ago I was seriously sick + in a hospital (for a few months). The doctors told me that I won't be able to resume my regular job (software engineer). At the same time I was in a lot of pain – unable to sit, walk, stand. It was not really clear how it all would end. I got deeply depressed and just wanted to die. The pain was just too much - even with controlled pain medication in a hospital setup. I called the G…

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At least you’re honest. And I don’t think it’s rare. I know some Bay Area high end escorts and they say overworked programmers are the bread and butter.

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Post by Schiendelman »

ceejayoz wrote: post #55
chasd00 wrote: post #52

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I've never been to prison but i have spent a night in the pokey a couple times. Those may be legit websites but it's not my experience.

> I've never been to prison > it's not my experience Good talk.

I see you all over HN and I appreciate how well you engage!

Re: Youth Suicides Declined After Creation of National Hotline

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Post by ceejayoz »

mmcdermott wrote: post #102
ceejayoz wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it? Does this same deal apply to, say, Area 51? Esoteric physics research? The details of mRNA vaccine production? We have experts because we can't all possibly understand everything.

Deep expertise is not a blank check for funding. There is only so much money to go around and at some point you have to articulate your value to those paying for it (in this case, the tax payers and their representatives). Yes, this means a high level summary generally focused on ends rather than the gory details of the means. An expert acting in good faith should be able to provide this or, in the spirit of the Feyn…

> Deep expertise is not a blank check for funding.

Sure. But the people vetting your proposals should have useful expertise in assessing it. Individual grant proposals for scientific research should essentially never be something a congressional rep is deciding on.

Someone needs to assess, say, the B-21's radar absorbent coating project, but it'd be a mistake to think some random pediatrician is the right one to do it.

Re: Youth Suicides Declined After Creation of National Hotline

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Post by jodacola »

keybored wrote: post #70
umpalumpaaa wrote: post #67

A while ago I was seriously sick + in a hospital (for a few months). The doctors told me that I won't be able to resume my regular job (software engineer). At the same time I was in a lot of pain – unable to sit, walk, stand. It was not really clear how it all would end. I got deeply depressed and just wanted to die. The pain was just too much - even with controlled pain medication in a hospital setup. I called the G…

I’m glad that it helped and that it worked for such a seemingly somatic issue. I wouldn’t have thought that.

I just listened to a fascinating podcast episode of Armchair Expert on pain psychology that went into such topics [0].

May not be some folks’ cup of tea, but I was sucked in and want to study more.

[0] https://armchairexpertpod.com/pods/rachel-zoffness

Re: Youth Suicides Declined After Creation of National Hotline

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Post by nxobject »

malfist wrote: post #51
nxobject wrote: post #44

It's good to celebrate this... but, looking forward, it's worrying to think whether kiddos these days are going first to ChatGPT instead, of, well, the hotline (or real people!) I think there's genuine value in going to an AI -- as long as you think of it as "interactive journaling", and not a human relationship. But, will they encourage struggling kiddos to make the leap and ask for support from an actual person?

> I think there's genuine value in going to an AI What's it going to do, help them avoid passive voice in their suicide note? Encourage them to carry it out? Hype them up about suicide? Tell them they're absolutely correct?

Honestly? As a veteran journaler who’s struggled with depression, I’ve always wanted an “organize everything that I splurted out today while I was overwhelmed” feature.

I guess the question is: can we encourage kids to use AI to help organize their thoughts and reflections, while avoiding just looking for cheap affirmation? I dunno - we’re not prepared to teach AI literacy at that level.

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