Correct title: OpenClaw says Anthropic said OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
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Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
What shareholders, Anthropic is a money burning pit. Not to the same extent as OpenAI, but both will struggle hard to actually turn a profit some day, let alone make back the massive investments they've received. Not that they don't bring value, I'm just not convinced they'll be able to sell their products in a sticky enough way to make up the prices they'll have to extract to make up for the absurd costs.
>> both will struggle hard to actually turn a profit some day, let alone make back the massive investments they've received. I'd agree with you, except I've heard this argument before. Amazon, Google, Facebook all burned lots of cash, and folks were convinced they would fail. On the other hand plenty burned cash and did fail. So could go either way. I expect, once the market consolidates to 2 big engines, they'll mak…
I’m not sure there will be consolidation. There’s too much room for specialization and even when the models are trained to do the same task they have very different qualities and their own strengths and weaknesses. You can’t just swap one for the other. If anything, as hardware improves I’d expect even more models and providers to become available. There’s already an ocean of fine tuned and merged models.
Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
#103I'm out of the loop on Claude, hasn't it always been possible to use the Anthropic API with a tool like OpenClaw, paying per request? Is this limitation just for using your monthly subscription account?
Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
Making it more affordable would be very bad news for Amazon, who are now counting on $100B in new spending from OpenAI over the next 10 years.
Somethings not adding up. Why is Amazon making financial plans for the next decade based on continued OpenAI spending but you’re saying AI providers like OpenAI and Anthropic aren’t even close to being profitable, so how can they last a decade or more? Who’s wrong?
I take it you don't remember 2008
Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
#105I'm out of the loop on Claude, hasn't it always been possible to use the Anthropic API with a tool like OpenClaw, paying per request? Is this limitation just for using your monthly subscription account?
Yes, exactly.
Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
#106Looks like this was restored 2 weeks ago[0], 3 days after Anthropic said OpenClaw requires extra usage[1]. At this point, it's hard to take this seriously. No official statement and not even a tweet? [0]: https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw/commit/d378a504ac17eab2... [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47633396
This is called FUD, amplify negativity, silence positivity
It's also something super simple to clarify from Anthropic if they want.
Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
#107Oh that's interesting. Right after they signed the deal with Amazon so maybe it was all compute constrained. In any case, I tried using the Codex $20/mo plan and the limits are so low I can hardly get anywhere before my agent swaps to a different agent. Somewhat suspicious that if I do this without an official Anthropic notice I'll lose my precious Max $200/mo account so I'll sit tight perhaps for a while.
Consider Z.ai if you need "bulk" usage, GLM is now very good. They still have the occasional API brown out however. I used to use GLM mostly and had a Claude Pro subscription for occasional review and clean up. Now I just use GLM. I do think Claude Max is value for money. But it's more value than I personally need and I like Anthropic less and less.
Naive question but are you not afraid z.ai will train on your personal data?
Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
#108Oh that's interesting. Right after they signed the deal with Amazon so maybe it was all compute constrained. In any case, I tried using the Codex $20/mo plan and the limits are so low I can hardly get anywhere before my agent swaps to a different agent. Somewhat suspicious that if I do this without an official Anthropic notice I'll lose my precious Max $200/mo account so I'll sit tight perhaps for a while.
Wait, how?
I had an idea on a whim to vibe-engineer an irccloud replacement for myself.
Started with claude web + Opus 4.7 and continued with Claude Code. Ate up two full cycles of my quota in maybe 6-10 prompts.
Then I iterated on that with pi.dev+codex for HOURS, managed to use 50% of my Codex Pro subscription.
Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
#109Anthropic is really trying to burn all that goodwill they worked up by raising prices, reducing limits and making it impossible to know what the actual policies are.
If you want LLMs to continue to be offered we have to get to a point where the providers are taking in more money than they are spending hosting them. And we still aren't there (or even close).
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Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again
#110Looks like this was restored 2 weeks ago[0], 3 days after Anthropic said OpenClaw requires extra usage[1]. At this point, it's hard to take this seriously. No official statement and not even a tweet? [0]: https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw/commit/d378a504ac17eab2... [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47633396
This is called FUD, amplify negativity, silence positivity
Considering Anthropic is constantly doing the opposite, I would just call it "balance".