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Re: The creative software industry has declared war on Adobe

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Post by CWuestefeld »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #73
vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Give us a tutorial please. Otherwise this statement makes no sense.

What is confusing? A well exposed shot shouldn’t need any editing really.

This is so wrong, on so many levels, that I don't even know where to start.

There are plenty of potential photographs that even modern sensor (or film) technology just can't do, like with questions of dynamic range. There are opportunities for cleaning up noise and sharpening to create a technically-better image. There are reasons beyond count for compositing of different kinds.

But most importantly, supporting the artist's efforts to achieve their vision is the whole point. If someone vision can't be achieved either with their physical toolset, or with their suite of tools, why should they limit themselves?

Re: The creative software industry has declared war on Adobe

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Post by shrubble »

Adobe lost me when I got a deal on Lightroom, installed it, and edited an image.

Then I went to look at the image on my drive, and it wasn't there. LR had uploaded it and deleted it from my hard drive!

They broke faith with me with that action, I deleted LR and have never touched it since.

If you use Sony cameras, you should check out Capture One, which (last I tested) has a deft touch with Sony files.

Re: The creative software industry has declared war on Adobe

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Post by slumberlust »

worthless-trash wrote: post #65
CWuestefeld wrote: post #22

We all love to hate on Adobe. But as a photographer my primary software tool is Lightroom. And I continue to use it despite its $120/year price and less-than-stellar cataloging subsystem because its photo editing features (it's primary mission) still exceed the capabilities of its competitors. I don't see anyone else here talking about the huge strides that Adobe has taken in the past few years with their masking too…

People absolutely COULD design something better, but if there is a lesson that I have seen replayed across the internet over the last 20 years is that adobe users, only want adobe, they dont want anything else. They want the shortcuts exactly the same, the screens exactly the same, the outputs exactly the same. They simply dont accept anything else, it basically needs to be a carbon clone copy to keep them happy, and…

That's quickly changing as the college grads are entering the workforce with experience on DaVinci.

Re: The creative software industry has declared war on Adobe

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Post by moregrist »

socalgal2 wrote: post #75
II2II wrote: post #47

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If you can afford it, that is wonderful. For those who either cannot afford it or who don't need its features, then be happy that the competition is stepping up. They get the software they need. You get the software you need. I've never really understood why people insist that there can be only one or two products per software category, particularly when the category has a large enough customer base to support multip…

no one is insisting there are can only be one or two products per category. Rahter, at some point in your life, $120 a year is not that much. It's $10 a month, that's two coffees, A MONTH! I bought Affinity Photo at one point, when it was $50. Then I tried to use it for a work project where I needed to do a minor edit to 150 photos. I figured out how to do it but it's workflow was tedious. At 3 mins per photo it woul…

It’s not the $10/mo that bothers me. It’s the nature of essentially leasing the software.

Before it was a subscription, you bought a version and could use _that version_ in perpetuity, possibly with some number of well-defined upgrades.

If you didn’t want to upgrade, your software still worked. The value proposition of the software was clear.

Now I need to decide whether paying the subscription, possibly forever, is worth the value. This just feels bad.

Re: The creative software industry has declared war on Adobe

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Post by simianwords »

There should be a way where I can use these tools using MCP so that I don't have to learn the particulars of how the tool behaves and what options they expose.

There are whole certficiations and tutorials for Adobe lightroom, photoshop etc. If I know what I want to achieve, I should be able to interact with an LLM and figure it out. Massive boost for me tbh.

Re: The creative software industry has declared war on Adobe

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Post by nradov »

datadrivenangel wrote: post #99
nradov wrote: post #87

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OK so just always do it right the first time and never make mistakes. Also, get lucky. Got it.

Being at the right place at the right time is more important than your equipment 80% of the time. Predict the composition and lighting and you don't need to do anywhere near as much editing.

Ha ha good luck doing that reliably with wide-angle underwater photography. You're always moving around, conditions are constantly changing, and wildlife is inherently unpredictable.

Re: The creative software industry has declared war on Adobe

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Post by jasomill »

W3zzy wrote: post #93
CWuestefeld wrote: post #22

We all love to hate on Adobe. But as a photographer my primary software tool is Lightroom. And I continue to use it despite its $120/year price and less-than-stellar cataloging subsystem because its photo editing features (it's primary mission) still exceed the capabilities of its competitors. I don't see anyone else here talking about the huge strides that Adobe has taken in the past few years with their masking too…

$120 a year for professional use is dirt cheap. My daughter is a graphic design student and gets a free CC ride during her studies. If she would have to pay for the apps should would have a hard time. What bothers me is that the school doesn't allow students using open source software. They're all locked in the closed ecosystem and keep their students in software jail too.

$120/year is cheap, but note that most of the other individual application plans cost at least as much as the $240 Lightroom/Photoshop bundle ($240/year for Acrobat Pro, $264/year each for Illustrator, After Effects, Premiere, InDesign, etc.).

This adds up quickly if you even ocassionally use more than a couple Adobe apps, especially as month-by-month pricing, where available, is considerably more expensive (e.g., $414 annualized for the $264/year products; not to be confused with the monthly pricing listed on the main page, which requires an annual commitment).

They also make it difficult to find the basic all-apps plan (Creative Cloud Standard) unless you know it exists, as the main pricing page[1] only lists a pricier plan (Creative Cloud Pro) that adds AI credits, web apps, and mobile apps and doesn't even mention the less expensive plan.

[1] https://www.adobe.com/creativecloud/plans.html

Re: The creative software industry has declared war on Adobe

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Post by Unbeliever69 »

Tanoc wrote: post #20

I bought CS6 Suite back in 2012 and used it well into 2021. Before that I had a patchwork of CS3 programs from 2005 I was given the discs for second-hand. Nowadays I use Krita, ffmpeg, Blender, Zim Desktop Wiki, and Inkscape to replace Flash/Animator, Photoshop, Premier, Dreamweaver, and Fireworks. CS6 cost me $549 back in 2012 under a pretty generous student discount, but would've been $1,800 otherwise. That's $790…

I bought the master collection CS6 in 2010 and still use it to this day to maintain legacy files. To my delight, it still does 99% of everything I need to do. I haven't given Adobe a dime since. Unlike Autodesk that has maintained its moat (vendor lock-in) around AutoCAD through patents, Adobe has not had a piece of software I couldn't replace with a free or low-cost alternative for the last 15 years. I'm not against paying companies for their software, but it is clear that the conflated subscription models/licenses have come at a cost to their reputation.

Re: The creative software industry has declared war on Adobe

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Post by danilocesar »

I'm a Darktable user and Affinity mobile user. I was pretty happy with both.

I was using Affinity for quick edits. I happily paid for their software as it's worth what they were charging for and not subscription based.

Then it was bought and Canvas decided to release it for free. What sounds like good news, for me it's concerning: Companies need to make money. If users are not paying, well, they might actually be the product the company sells: either with ads or intelligence. I hate ads as much as I hate my data being harvested, so I'm out now.

A couple of weeks ago I found what seems to work for me now: I bought a tablet capable of running Fedora and Darktable, and that's what am using now.

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