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Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by vel0city »

saintfire wrote: post #65
shrubble wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I saw a video where someone took banana bar code stickers wrapped around a bunch of bananas and put them on the TVs in their shopping cart and then checked out via self checkout. I predict that self checkout will only remain in the more trustworthy areas…

Every self checkout around here has an employee staffing ~6 terminals. They're supposed to be watching for things like that. Usually theyre just staring vacantly into space, which I get, that job pays nothing and provides 0 mental stimulation. When you see a TV being purchased, though, it wouldn't be hard to just watch that it in fact got checked in as such.

> Usually theyre just staring vacantly into space

That's far from my experience. Usually they're overworked with a backlog of customers having some kind of issue needing attention. It usually takes a few minutes to flag one down when I need them to take a coupon or check and ID, because they're already busy doing something for another customer.

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by Shalomboy »

hrimfaxi wrote: post #82
cwmoore wrote: post #77

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Why deal with problem systems when we can punish someone we caught? That is your thought process?

Is it possible that grocery stores are reducing positions to save money? Is it not possible that it is a feedback loop? Why are we blaming the grocery store for replacing labor with machines? Why don't we decry the grocery that hires only 2 people instead of 3? And since when is stealing a prank?

It sounds like you've never done a prank or been hungry, so I can't imagine what standing you feel you have to weigh in on this.

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by fennecbutt »

jlongr wrote: post #98
fennecbutt wrote: post #95

Lmao more flipper zero crap. I'm sorry, but I'm so sick of seeing "omg hacker man" mystique surrounding flipper, which is exactly what they want because it drives sales. Ofc you can muck about with open and unsecured stuff...like duh. But it annoys me to no end when I have reasonably intelligent friends parrot claims like "flipper can clone the nfc in your credit card and you can steal people's money wow much hack!"

That's just you, bud.

Not your buddy, pal. ;3

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by Hilliard_Ohiooo »

DangerousPie wrote: post #33
Aboutplants wrote: post #29

I was in college when self checkout became a thing and it took us all of about 45 seconds to realize that you could just check everything out as bananas. Steak was weighed and priced at 4011 (banana code) as the stoned teenager cashier paid no attention. Everything on the receipt was literally Bananas

Congratulations, you have discovered the concept of shoplifting!

It's hacking, there a difference. He learned the system and exploited a vulnerability!

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by squibonpig »

hrimfaxi wrote: post #69
dfxm12 wrote: post #51

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Think about blaming the grocery store replacing workers with no one in particular before you blame some college pranksters. Grocery stores in general consolidating, laying off workers, leaving them without pay/benefits, taking advantage of greedflation, etc., is a bigger drain on society.

Ah yes, let's blame some shadowy "big grocery" rather than point our fingers at individual bad actors.

Grocery is a big industry. What's shadowy about it?

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by recursive »

GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #92
DangerousPie wrote: post #33

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Congratulations, you have discovered the concept of shoplifting!

if a store does not want to hire capable staff to perform an essential function, they should not expect laypeople to perform that action for free (or at higher cost, as we've seen with grocery prices in the US as human cashiers are reduced) at the same level as a trained staff member. we do not have to accept this decision to reduce staff and raise prices as a matter of course. plus, if you see somebody stealing food…

If GuinasEyebrows does not want to drive an appropriately security-hardened armored vehicle, then they should not expect that I will not jimmy the lock and hotwire it. If you see me drive it away, no you didn't.

People are responsible for their own actions. If you think shoplifting is morally acceptable, don't try to tell me that I didn't see it.

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by QuantumNomad_ »

Tangurena2 wrote: post #68
miki123211 wrote: post #40

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IANAL and this depends on the jurisdiction, but in many places, the penalties for shenanigans like these are far steeper than for outright theft, as it's considered to be financial fraud.

Some retail chains, of which Dollar General is the poster child, have one price displayed on the shelf and a different, much higher price at the checkout register. Links: > Missouri Attorney General Andrew Bailey has filed suit against Dollar General, claiming deceptive and unfair pricing at its more than 600 retail stores throughout the state. The lawsuit alleges that Dollar General violated Missouri’s consumer prot…

In Norway, if you notice that the price at checkout is higher than what it said on the shelf, you can in most cases demand to pay the shelf price and the store has to honour it unless it is an obvious error such as some expensive electronics being tagged as costing an impossibly low amount.

It goes without saying however, that the customer himself is of course not allowed to alter the price on the shelf (like the Flipper Zero program in the featured link facilitates) and then pay the altered amount :P

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by Hilliard_Ohiooo »

culi wrote: post #94
dfxm12 wrote: post #46

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It sucks that we have to do extra labor and expose ourselves to this kind of legal risk all because a grocery store doesn't want to staff workers. It's not even like they pass these savings onto us...

That's true, grocery stores made record profits during covid. I've sometimes toyed with the idea of an "open sourced" grocery store that's extremely transparent about every detail. Think electronic price tags that give you a complete breakdown of the cost of an item, cost of labor, cost to account for "loss", over/under-supply, etc. I feel like there's a niche out there for hyperinformed consumers

That's basically Costco, the price they pay is what you pay, the system paired down to bare necessities, and it is incredibly popular.

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by conductr »

compton93 wrote: post #49
Aboutplants wrote: post #29

I was in college when self checkout became a thing and it took us all of about 45 seconds to realize that you could just check everything out as bananas. Steak was weighed and priced at 4011 (banana code) as the stoned teenager cashier paid no attention. Everything on the receipt was literally Bananas

That's crazy. But coming from someone who wrote a book on retail fraud and worked as a retail fraud analyst for several years... you could have just walked straight out with those items. Transacting was your way of leaving a calling card for the investigators/analysts to find you... You stole regardless of how you did it.

The visual risk of walking out without paying is much greater than the risk that anyone actually investigates AND tries to track him down for it.

Back when I was a kid it was common to still just have simple price tag stickers on every single item. We’d pull off a cheap sticker and put it on an expensive item. If they noticed, we’d just shrug and say “oh Nevermind then” when they found the right price.

The only problem was most cashiers actually knew all the prices of stuff and paid attention, believe it or not they even knew how to make change back in those days /s. So you couldn’t always get super aggressive.

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by vel0city »

FatherOfCurses wrote: post #90
hrimfaxi wrote: post #69

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Ah yes, let's blame some shadowy "big grocery" rather than point our fingers at individual bad actors.

All grocery stores are introducing self-checkout as a way to reduce staffing. It's not a shadowy conspiracy, it's a legitimate fact. Many customers would much rather check out with a person.

> Many customers would much rather check out with a person.

I'm like 50/50 on that. If I've got a lot of stuff it's nice having the space of a full lane for bagging along with another set of hands helping (even more if they still have dedicated baggers!). But if I'm just getting a handful of items a self checkout is faster than waiting in a queue for a full service lane. But if there's a long queue for the self checkout then forget it. If I have to wait I'll wait for service.

I still just prefer the scan and go stuff the most though. Scan with my phone as I shop, check out with a confirmation on the phone, roll on through to the car. I wish all my shopping was that smooth.

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