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Dad brains: How fatherhood rewires the male mind

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Re: Dad brains: How fatherhood rewires the male mind

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Post by bad_haircut72 »

gosub100 wrote: post #84
the_gipsy wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But for women it's natural? How convenient

It's amazing coincidence how the two genders have biological features that together support life. You should check it out sometime.

The only biological feature that makes women "better" at handling screaming kids is the inability to do anything about when frustrated men choose to deflect and defer reaponsibility to the helpless women if the tribe, because they are stronger & not physically burdened by child-carrying, usually with violence or threat of violence - for generations in a row, until we all sub-consciously accepted it as a truth.

Like the experiment where the monkeys wouldnt eat bananas for generations after the electric shocker attached to them was removed - they had internalised the idea that bananas gave shocks, we have also internalised these untrue ideas.

Re: Dad brains: How fatherhood rewires the male mind

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Post by sapphicsnail »

nailer wrote: post #12

> that men have all the necessary biological wiring to be "every bit as protective and nurturing as the most committed mother This seems like an overstatement - man can't give birth to babies (which involves transfer of the mothers biome to the baby) or feed babies (which typically involves lactation).

Men and trans women actually can feed babies. It's just a matter of hormones. The line between genders is more blurry than you'd think.

Re: Dad brains: How fatherhood rewires the male mind

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Post by ozozozd »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #33
andy99 wrote: post #16

Saw this earlier today, I think it’s very flawed and ideological, unfortunately other posts mentioning this got flagged. First there’s the idea that “nurturing” is somehow what kids need and better for them automatically, that whatever a stereotypical man does with kids is bad for them, and we need to be rewired by pheromones or whatever to be more sensitive. And as a corollary the idea that a high-T man somehow is a…

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I am sorry whatever you have observed convinced you that it’s unnatural for fathers to spend time with children. It’s unnatural for adult men to NOT spend time with our tiny children. That’s how we bond, and that bond helps us stick around, protect, provide, nurture, and do all the other things that helps them SURVIVE.

It would be unnatural for us to not do the things that would help our offspring survive.

Edit: removed a negative.

Re: Dad brains: How fatherhood rewires the male mind

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Post by theturtlemoves »

ozozozd wrote: post #98
theturtlemoves wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Four things are needed. Stereotypically they're divided Dad: Protect and provide Mom: Nurture and nourish You could do it differently, but that only works if you swap one, not share half half. Both have been eroded. Kids are raised by strangers, our food is crap, you can't warn each other about dangers cause that's somehow an insult and a single income doesn't pay the bills. The goal seems to be to set men and women…

I mean, how you clearly point out the immovable constraint and blow past it as if the whole thing is just a cultural fad is somewhat shocking. Single income doesn’t pay the bills. Period. Everything else is downstream. One could argue that your talking about the dangers of these downstream effects is insulting and classist. Who is gonna pay these bills? Do you think we prefer that strangers raise our kids? If we had…

Where did I say anything about a cultural fad? Where did I mention "dangers of downstream effects"? Where did I claim that I think "we prefer strangers raise our kids"?

You're pulling your reply straight from the offended-rack

Re: Dad brains: How fatherhood rewires the male mind

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Post by kyleee »

bitshiftfaced wrote: post #30
syntaxing wrote: post #21

> And the men that had spent longer looking after babies showed the largest drops in testosterone. Those that shared a bed with their infants also had lower levels. Dad here. Maybe…it’s the lack of sleep? Involved fathers tend to have less sleep.

Parents also tend to gain weight, and higher BMI is associated with a decline in T. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3809034/

Do BBC have low T?

Re: Dad brains: How fatherhood rewires the male mind

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Post by kyleee »

rrgok wrote: post #95
narvidas wrote: post #92

Just a personal anecdotal datapoint, but relevant and possibly interesting nonetheless. I work full time and even by modern standards I'm what most would call a heavily-involved father. I have an 18month old. After my daughter was born, due to the amount of stress and lack of sleep I very soon realised I had to return to doing regular resistance training, clean diet and cut other things like drinking alcohol. In orde…

If you need external input to improve yourself then I'm wondering if you are ready to be a father. I might sound rude, but it is not my intention. I don't know how else to put it. It is still better than people who never learn this either way.

Awful comment either way. That’s one you keep to yourself

Re: Dad brains: How fatherhood rewires the male mind

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Post by nickpeterson »

ra_men wrote: post #96
budududuroiu wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Structure

In a newborn? Infant? I think not. Nurturing is vital in the early stages of life.

Structure in this context is probably ‘routine’, though how that plays into a male vs female role is anyone’s guess.

Re: Dad brains: How fatherhood rewires the male mind

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Post by ozozozd »

The lower T claim sounds like a pretty obvious adaptation to me.

High T = high risk appetite. Low T = low risk appetite.

If you have kids, your risk appetite should be relatively lower. Otherwise your offspring may have to grow up without you around.

Although I agree that the lack of sleep would have a huge impact as well.

Re: Dad brains: How fatherhood rewires the male mind

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Post by ozozozd »

periodjet wrote: post #61

The modern female loves the “dad” archetype because it’s non-threatening across many domains. See: all modern entertainment media (which is produced by females and the feminine-minded). Expect it to increase in representation and popularity (which can already be observed by the sharp-witted). My identity: trans woman (to ameliorate the stung feelings of identitarians, relativists, and/or feminists reading this).

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