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Re: Ban the sale of precise geolocation

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Companies exist that de-anonymize other data brokers data. Lets the other data brokers claim they have anonymized data while end end users get everything.

you could probably run a anonymization company at the same time you run a de-anonymization company

Best of both worlds - legal and profitable \s

Re: Ban the sale of precise geolocation

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Being able to read something in one sitting doesn't make it simple or obvious. The law establishes a board that gets to set new requirements.

As someone who has to implement it, it's really not bad at all: Ask the user for consent to use their data, and don't be misleading about it. That's it. The rest of the "It'S So LaRgE AnD UndErSpEciFieD" is just FUD. The regulators don't just slap fines, they work with you to get you to comply, and they just want to see that you're putting in the effort instead of messing them about. I have literally never been surpr…

> for everything in the middle, nobody will punish you for an honest mistake.

How do you know that? Again the law establishes a rules making body that can at any time change or add rules, and as far as I can tell there's no public review process.

Re: Ban the sale of precise geolocation

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Smartphones, mobile apps, mobile networks, and WiFi stopped being your friends around 2015-2016. Now it's just a matter of how much data can be harvested from device sensors in real time until reaching a pain point which doesn't exist.

Yep. And the FLOSS/Linux phone hardware attempts have frankly sucked. I was hoping that my PinePhone Pro would actually be usable. But no, its a PineDoorstop. Proper Linux would be a great 3rd choice. But yeah. We've got a duopoly and not much we can do about it.

GrapheneOS is a proper Linux. The hardware isn't open, but otherwise it's quite nice and clearly designed for the end-user's benefit, in stark contrast to the more widely-adopted alternative mobile OSes.

Re: Ban the sale of precise geolocation

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I'm of the opinion now that posting videos online without the explicit permission of EVERYONE in the video should be illegal. It's one thing to take a video and keep it on your phone but if you share it outside of your family and only your family, then it needs to have the expressed consent of everyone whose face is on it otherwise it should be a crime.

The previous views on privacy didn't take into account the fact that everyone now has video cameras and people are incentivized to violate privacy to make money as influencers. I think people's privacies need to be protected and I think that means making laws around it much, much stricter. This includes things like location data, it shouldn't be sold or exposed at all.

Re: Ban the sale of precise geolocation

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Only if you consider the entire concept of logistics in civilization as "elective".

Seems hyperbolic we had logistics that functioned extremely well before we had customer location data for sale on 3rd party sites.

If you re-read the comment they didn't say that selling it was intrinsic.

Re: Ban the sale of precise geolocation

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I had a theory that the way to solve this was a location intelligence data union which sold safely anonymised aggregates and shared the profits, while also litigating on behalf of members under available legislation to stop other people using their data.

Alas, I was stymied by not having any cash to work on it, and the unit economics were not very VC friendly (at least I assume that’s one of the reasons why I didn’t get any traction from VCs).

Re: Ban the sale of precise geolocation

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A lot of geolocation data on the market is anonymized, following medium-lived unique IDs that aren't able to be mapped to other identifiers. The problem with that is that if you have precise locations, or enough samples that you can apply statistics to find precise locations, in many cases you can de-anonymize the IDs. You can purchase address and resident listings from a number of different data vendors, and by chec…

exactly. calling it 'anonymized' is pure security theater once you have enough data points to map out someones daily routine. waiting for legislation or eulas to fix this is a lost cause since adtech always finds a loophole. the fix has to be architectural. moving toward stateless proxies that strip device identifiers at the edge before they even hit upstream servers. if the payload never touches a persistent db ther…

How is this legal under the GPDR? There is clear examples in the citizenlab document of a user been tracked inside of the EU from outside.

Is there not also a requirement for clean consent? Ie a weather app can’t track your precise location?

Re: Ban the sale of precise geolocation

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I'm of the opinion now that posting videos online without the explicit permission of EVERYONE in the video should be illegal. It's one thing to take a video and keep it on your phone but if you share it outside of your family and only your family, then it needs to have the expressed consent of everyone whose face is on it otherwise it should be a crime. The previous views on privacy didn't take into account the fact…

So, no videos of festivals or politicians speaking? How about legally recorded conversations or anything else exposing corruption? Body cam footage? Harassment is already a crime. Take care not to come up with oppressive laws to deal with a nuisance.
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