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Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45

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Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45

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Post by analognoise »

ButlerianJihad wrote: post #40
09725290216 wrote: post #34

I cannot understand how German men can be expected to fight while women are exempt. It's pure sexism against men and also very insulting to women. I'm opposed to conscription in general, but I live in Sweden with gender-neutral conscription laws, and I would do my best to defend my country if it became necessary. If I were a man in an alternate version of Sweden with male-only conscription, I would feel so disrespect…

At the risk of feeding this troll, I'll go for it here. Men and women are essentially different in real biological ways, as well as emotional and socialization. For millennia, women and children have been held innocent and protected. This is why Christian societies don't throw them on the frontlines as cannon fodder, but rather, the men go in front and the men fight, as expendables, while the woman and children can b…

> or millennia, women and children have been held innocent and protected

This is a Victorian (or incel) look back at history.

Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45

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Post by benterix »

general1465 wrote: post #100
benterix wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That men had to forego their privileges in the name of it. Care to name a few?

Like being paid more (because they work in more dangerous or risky jobs) or having higher suicide rate or being able to wear clothes repeatedly without being judged. Not being forced to wear makeup

I don't get it. People who take dangerous or risky jobs nobody else wants do get paid more. Higher suicide rate has nothing to do with some privileges being taken away. As for clothes, it depends on your social circle - in mine people couldn't care less. As for make up, I have no idea what you mean.

Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45

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Post by jalapenoj »

jiaosdjf wrote: post #24
Frieren wrote: post #11

We are told that we are in a state of preparing for war. When we will start restricting luxury items, unnecessary private jet travel, energy waste in crypto-currencies, etc.? Because it seems that for being so obsessed to be prepared for war the only ones affected are the working class. The rich are just wasting resources away like if there was no tomorrow. I just see austerity 2.0 to cut citizens rights, cut service…

The only thing we can do is refuse to participate. Europe no longer needs its people, our governments have demonstrated clearly that the average person is irrelevant and replaceable. Our industries have been sold off and outsourced, we no longer make anything except spreadsheets to enable globalists and asset stripping private equity parasites. Our history and diversity has been deemed non-sacrosanct, if some other c…

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Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45

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Post by joquarky »

ap99 wrote: post #95
benterix wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And women "sacrificed" to make more people. By and large, women stopped "sacrificing" a while ago, globally - or at least reduced it by large numbers. Which is completely fine. But it makes the original point moot.

It's fine for now. Fast forward even 100 years and tell me what population numbers look like. Then another 100 years.

That's a big fat zero for both.

Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45

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Post by dot_treo »

lifestyleguru wrote: post #88
dot_treo wrote: post #22

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It used to be that way, and probably will be that way again. I know of a few of people who got an early testicular cancer diagnosis that way. So it seems that there is a medical use for it.

Military medical exam is not for medical diagnosis! They don't care, they're there to enforce. It's worth the same as a dude pissing into urinal next to you and saying "nice balls mate". For official medical diagnosis you have to go through the procedures within healthcare system in your country.

True, but how many 18 year olds do you know that will just randomly get their balls checked?

Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45

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Post by Jamesbeam »

sam_lowry_ wrote: post #98
Jamesbeam wrote: post #62

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It’s a constitutional issue. Article 12a of the German constitution states: "(1) Men may be called up for service in the armed forces, the Federal Border Guard, or a civil defence unit upon reaching the age of eighteen." The current administration has a majority, I think three votes (excuse my inaccuracy), to change the constitution. Women can fight as well, and they do. But there is currently no legal, constitutiona…

This answer is so hilariously German )

Probably. But it’s actually nice to see that my comment gets downvoted.

A lot of our modern human rights today come from the anti-war movement. This is a highly controversial topic, and I read a lot of interesting opinions in this thread. It’s hard to argue for combat readiness for both genders if most people right now witness the abuse of military superpower like in Ukraine by the Russians or in Iran, causing a lot of loss of life and hardship.

I have been through all this before. Young students shouting murderers at the airport, peace signs everywhere. Most of my colleagues were angry, I was happy so many people showed up and made their voice heard without fear or repression. That’s the kind of freedom you fight for. It’s not always pretty if you’re on the receiving end but I considered that part of the job.

Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45

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Post by anonyfox »

09725290216 wrote: post #36
anonyfox wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

whats the deal here with the genitals? normal part of life, and having someone check if theres nothing weird/curious in a full body health check doesn't sound unreasonable. was okay for me too. and girls do get their private parts inspected deeper every year at the female health docs than once in a lifetime ball touching from some drafter, different level, just accept it

Don't be ridiculous. You really don't see a difference between someone choosing to see a doctor for their own benefit and the state forcing someone to be subjected to an examination for the state's benefit? Nobody should accept gender discrimination or being touched without consent.

at this point sensible/reasonable tradeoffs should be reintroduced again. absolutist stances like that, no matter how well intended, are bullshit. its simply not black and white, you just happen to draw a line on the extreme sensitivity side compared to others. its okay, but a you problem.

Even touch without consent is explicitly a thing that will be accepted by any sane human. example: someone grabbing your shoulders last second to pull you back from a street crossing before a car hits you that you didn't see coming by yourself. There are even laws in some countries when you do NOT help in acute situations you can go to jail. And at the end it IS touch, without consent.

I just don't get why genitals are such a big deal to begin with. but also baltic sea here, people go naked to beaches or in saunas without blinking since ever.

Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45

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Post by lifestyleguru »

Propelloni wrote: post #96
lifestyleguru wrote: post #86

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I don't care. Until being 18 years old I had had no opinion or even an idea that there exist a commission waiting to see my genitals. It's when you refuse then they become obsessed to enforce and conduct the examination.

Because there is no such commission? Are you sure, you went through a mustering physical? There is no commission waiting to see your wiener. There is an MD to examine you. The MD writes a report that is attached to your file. What the commission might get serious with is enforcing the mustering process, regardless if it is about the medical exam or the aptitude tests.

Yes there is, it's literally military commission with military medical board. Personal experience and the quality of "medical proffessionals" in it may vary from country to country.

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Post by charlie90 »

ap99 wrote: post #51
09725290216 wrote: post #34

I cannot understand how German men can be expected to fight while women are exempt. It's pure sexism against men and also very insulting to women. I'm opposed to conscription in general, but I live in Sweden with gender-neutral conscription laws, and I would do my best to defend my country if it became necessary. If I were a man in an alternate version of Sweden with male-only conscription, I would feel so disrespect…

Women can help the front line fighters but if I was running a country I would not want to put a large number of women on the front, especially young women. Sure they can fight and kill. But a country that loses its ability to make more people won't last longer than a generation. Two things a country needs from which all other needs derive: people and a border that can be defended. Men historically get sacrificed to p…

Why make more people? Just import more immigrants to make up for the losses, it's the neo liberal way.

Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45

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Post by lifestyleguru »

dot_treo wrote: post #105
lifestyleguru wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Military medical exam is not for medical diagnosis! They don't care, they're there to enforce. It's worth the same as a dude pissing into urinal next to you and saying "nice balls mate". For official medical diagnosis you have to go through the procedures within healthcare system in your country.

True, but how many 18 year olds do you know that will just randomly get their balls checked?

Might be a different situation in other countries but in my country (Poland) showing your wiener to military guys will certainly not have any positive or constructive medical outcome. It's just a primitive domination and compliance ritual where they "verify your gender".
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