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Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by notrealyme123 »

traderj0e wrote: post #48
diego_moita wrote: post #28

Does anyone remember when western nations were freaking out that Huawei would handle everybody personal data to the Chinese government? Now, please tell me that American companies are better at privacy than the Chinese ones. Btw, some alternative email providers in truly democratic countries: * ProtonMail (Switzerland) * TutaMail, Posteo, Mailbox.org and Eclipso (Germany) * Runbox (Norway) * Mailfence (Belgium)

None of those countries are interested in free speech, not even this particular kind of speech, especially Germany.

They don't sack you from the street and put you in a Camp. At least not anymore.

Say what you want about especially Germany, but there you don't get sued by the president for billions if he doesn't like your opinion.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by busterarm »

LastTrain wrote: post #76
busterarm wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's this account's only comment and was only created right before posting. It has no credibility.

If they were motivated enough by this story to delete 20 years worth of history maybe they were motivated enough to create an account and talk about it?

I don't care. The UX means I can't give it any credibility.

For all I know this could be somebody's OpenClaw spouting bullshit. The default credibility of all throwaways is zero and that was even true before 2023.

If you let it influence your opinion in any way you're a fool.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

#103

Post by smallmancontrov »

wredcoll wrote: post #75
selectodude wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Democrats have so far not been led by the nose into bombing Iran and fucking up the global economy so I’m not sure how one can keep saying that with a straight face.

It's pretty pathetic when the best argument you can make is a whataboutism that isn't even equivalent.

If "led by the nose into bombing Iran" isn't being "owned by Israel," what is?

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by eurleif »

The linked Google policy states:

>We won’t give notice when legally prohibited under the terms of the request.

The post states that his lawyer has reviewed the subpoena, but doesn't mention whether or not it contained a non-disclosure order. That's an important detail to address if the claim is that Google acted against its own policy.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

#105

Post by traderj0e »

smallmancontrov wrote: post #57
traderj0e wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly this slogan was always a joke. Obviously an evil company would say that.

I do think they earnestly tried to swim against the current, but yeah, they always knew where it was taking them. Removing the yellow background behind paid results was the turning point IMO. > The goals of the advertising business model do not always correspond to providing quality search to users. - Sergey Brin and Lawrence Page, The Anatomy of a Large-Scale Hypertextual Web Search Engine, 1998

Idk what they've even done that was not profit-motivated. They loss-led newer products in the 2000s just like everyone else, then 2010s started tightening up, then 2020s went to maximizing profit and paying out. That's ok in a way really, they're a corporation after all. But nobody ever took that "don't be evil" slogan seriously unless maybe they were Google employees.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by soganess »

WalterBright wrote: post #72
soganess wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, because the American ideal of our forefathers was FAFO? This is embarrassing to admit, but I miss the halcyon days when folks were still nominally pretending to be free speech warriors.

If you are invited to visit someone's home, and you go, and say nasty things to the homeowner, you'll be tossed out despite your right to free speech. If you're a guest in another country, act like a guest. When I was living on a military base in Germany, I and my family were required to behave as a guest of the Germans. The military was quite strict about that. I didn't have any issue with that. When I travel to ano…

A country is not a house. Conflating the legal framework of a nation-state with the etiquette of a private living room is a category error. As John Locke demonstrated when refuting the patriarchal theory of government, political power is fundamentally distinct from household authority. A private home is governed by the unilateral property rights of an owner; a republic operates via constitutional law and public rights.

Pretending the rules of a private domicile apply to a jurisdiction by analogy is a sleight of hand. It operates like arguing that because memory safety is a strict requirement in system architecture, we must ensure human memories remain uncorrupted. The domains function under entirely different mechanics. A non-citizen in a public space is constrained by statutory law (and our statutory law is based on our understanding of inherent freedoms), not the etiquette of a houseguest.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by dkural »

avazhi wrote: post #18

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One of the attractions of a country for scientists and scholars, and visitors generally, is an atmosphere of freedom. The right to protest is a constitutionally protected right. He was well within his rights. The current administration is purposefully curtailing freedoms to intimidate ordinary people to keep quiet as they plunder the country. Google is now going along with it. Your advice is to just study and enjoy the experience, which is what most people do. Luckily there are others who can be loud for those who can no longer speak, their cities bombed and families killed; with the hope that the world will eventually notice and listen. Civic engagement, and a free press is one of the most important tools at our disposal to fight those who seek to exploit the weak - that is why every wanna-be dictator and corrupt politician is so keen to curtail these rights.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by stackskipton »

eaf7e281 wrote: post #45

I still don't understand. Who gave ICE such power, and who is ordering them to do all this? To me, ICE's actions are similar to those of a private army.

Congress gave them the power. They are federal law enforcement who actions were mainly restrained by desire of their leadership (US President) to keep their actions curtailed.

That desire is gone so they are going all out.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by hgoel »

smallmancontrov wrote: post #67
jmward01 wrote: post #4

Privacy, technology and actual freedom overlap massively. Stories like this making it to HN are important since many of the people working at Google that had interactions with this, either by creating the tech or being aware of internal policy changes, read HN. Additionally many founders and decision makers in companies read these stories because it hit HN. Knowing that Google will do this changes your legal calculat…

The number of HNers who were earnestly arguing that this was the party of free speech indicates that this absolutely needs to be on the HN front page. > the administration’s rhetoric about cracking down on students protesting what we saw as genocide forced me into hiding for three months. Federal agents came to my home looking for me. A friend was detained at an airport in Tampa and interrogated about my whereabouts.

I was definitely one of those useful idiots, not on here though

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by traderj0e »

smallmancontrov wrote: post #103
wredcoll wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty pathetic when the best argument you can make is a whataboutism that isn't even equivalent.

If "led by the nose into bombing Iran" isn't being "owned by Israel," what is?

It totally is. Democrats got led into Israel's wars too. Interestingly the support was different, like Trump got money from the Adelsons and Biden from pro-Israel lobbies.
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