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Good sleep, good learning, good life (2012)

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Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life (2012)

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Post by hnthrowaway0315 »

mothballed wrote: post #92
hnthrowaway0315 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I think that helps, too. Unfortunately most of us cannot do that. I found a few days is not enough. At least 2 weeks.

I used to be able to do this but after having kids they always seem to reset the clock before you can make any headway. I still have not figured out how to regain the clarity. There is no substitute for unobstructed long stretches of time to focus on something. Being unexpectedly interrupted or put on a schedule just ruins it.

I have a kid and I get it. I'm actually a bit scared about long vacations and weekends nowadays. But I hope we will figure out a way when kid grows up a bit. Right now, it's all luck. I'm even thinking about getting rid of my hobbies and find new ones that match kid's education and activity, but not sure about that.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life (2012)

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Post by jdreaver »

criddell wrote: post #95
amunozo wrote: post #19

As a Spaniard I am trying to honor my ancestors and nap when I can, but man, it feels almost impossible most of the days. It could be that I am having too much anxiety/stress, too much coffee in the mornings, lack of practice, or maybe all of them. Any experiences related to learning to nap or what worked for you over here?

The relatively late dining hours (9pm or later) in Spain wouldn't work for me at all. I'm an early-to-bed-early-to-rise kind of person and if I eat within 3 or 4 hours of bed time my sleep suffers.

I learned recently that Spain uses the same timezone as Germany (GMT+2 currently, according to Google) despite the GMT line passing through Spain. I've visited Spain and did feel like we ate late, but the timezone being "wrong" has made me wonder if it would have felt as late if I knew about their timezone while I was there!

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life (2012)

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Post by hnthrowaway0315 »

hamasho wrote: post #96
hnthrowaway0315 wrote: post #72

I think a lot of it has to do with mental status, which can be concluded with one sentence -- "Are you happy with your life, and if not do you have a clear path to reach that?". People who say no probably has a lot of trouble to get fit, get enough sleep -- sometimes NOT because they do not have the resources, but because they are not happy. They hate life, so why makes it better? I have observed this in myself so I…

In my case, I often find life goals and enjoy the journey when I'm mentally healthy, not vice versa. I can't control my mood, but when I am positive, I start a new hobby like dancing or playing an instrument, cook healthy, lift, sleep well, study new things, etc. But when I'm depressed, I lose all interest in my life goals, eat junk food, skip exercise, and browse the Internet all night. I can't even enjoy my hobbies…

That could definitely the case. I can't really tell which one comes first, mood or objective.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life (2012)

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Post by dkarl »

rustyhancock wrote: post #3

The older I get the more sensitive to a single poor night's sleep I become. The most frustrating effect is that even a few drinks in the evening (maybe over 2-3 units). Unsettles my sleep that if I'm in the process of learning something feels like it sets me back several days. That's not even counting the slowed processing I feel, and lower productivity the next day. I genuinely have to revisit old information. A gen…

If my Oura ring can be trusted, alcohol doesn't interfere with my total amount of sleep or my REM sleep, but it reduces my deep sleep drastically and can even result in me getting zero deep sleep, which hasn't happened a single time without alcohol.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life (2012)

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Post by mock-possum »

hnthrowaway0315 wrote: post #72

I think a lot of it has to do with mental status, which can be concluded with one sentence -- "Are you happy with your life, and if not do you have a clear path to reach that?". People who say no probably has a lot of trouble to get fit, get enough sleep -- sometimes NOT because they do not have the resources, but because they are not happy. They hate life, so why makes it better? I have observed this in myself so I…

I’ve always envisioned those states as ‘swimming’ versus ‘treading water.’

The deal I have with myself is that it’s okay to tread water for a while - if you’re tired, if you need a break, if you’re not quite sure where to go next - but you can’t wait too long, because the current will move you wherever it wants. To get where you want, you’re always going to have to start swimming again.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life (2012)

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Post by dkarl »

Antibabelic wrote: post #46

> There is only one formula for healthy and refreshing sleep: Go to sleep only when you are very tired. Not earlier. Not later. Wake up naturally without an alarm clock. This is very easy to say when you're not suffering from insomnia and other sleep disorders.

Advice like this turns almost everybody's normal state into a disorder.

"Go to sleep only when you are very tired" is a child's approach to sleep, it's what we all want to do, and by adulthood we learn that it's counterproductive. But we still want it so much that we regularly test it and are reminded why we don't operate that way.

It reminds me of the intuitive eating folks who say, "Ignore standard diet advice, just listen to your body and feed it what it knows you need," but then when you overeat, they say, "You aren't listening properly, you aren't in tune with your body." Then if you ask, "How will I know when I'm in tune with my body and listening to it properly?" they say, "When what it asks for matches standard diet advice."

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life (2012)

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Post by aethrum »

raducu wrote: post #65
rustyhancock wrote: post #3

The older I get the more sensitive to a single poor night's sleep I become. The most frustrating effect is that even a few drinks in the evening (maybe over 2-3 units). Unsettles my sleep that if I'm in the process of learning something feels like it sets me back several days. That's not even counting the slowed processing I feel, and lower productivity the next day. I genuinely have to revisit old information. A gen…

>The older I get the more sensitive to a single poor night's sleep I become. Back when I was 20 I had a drinking problem. One time I drank so much that I passed out sitting at a table. Woke up with friends having stripped my clothes and washed them. I woke up at 9AM, feeling 100% sober, just anxious about my 20 missed calls from my mom. I got a bit drunk at about 33 and next day I thought I was dying. That's how I le…

do you exercise?

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life (2012)

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Post by tboughen »

raducu wrote: post #65
rustyhancock wrote: post #3

The older I get the more sensitive to a single poor night's sleep I become. The most frustrating effect is that even a few drinks in the evening (maybe over 2-3 units). Unsettles my sleep that if I'm in the process of learning something feels like it sets me back several days. That's not even counting the slowed processing I feel, and lower productivity the next day. I genuinely have to revisit old information. A gen…

>The older I get the more sensitive to a single poor night's sleep I become. Back when I was 20 I had a drinking problem. One time I drank so much that I passed out sitting at a table. Woke up with friends having stripped my clothes and washed them. I woke up at 9AM, feeling 100% sober, just anxious about my 20 missed calls from my mom. I got a bit drunk at about 33 and next day I thought I was dying. That's how I le…

I’m 41 and my body is nicer to be in than when I was 25.

Like you, I have much less youthful buffer that shrugs off poor sleep or overindulgence, but I have much more knowledge and much better habits.

Daily habits: better nutrition (based on Bryan Johnson’s super veggie and nutty pudding), stretching, weak points warmup, proper oral hygiene, regular bedtime

Weekly habits: 4x gym, 3x run, 2x weighted walk

I have used ChatGPT to work out a program that is helping me to overcome injuries and niggles while building strength and cardio. I’m 3 months into my latest training schedule, and it’s unreasonably effective.

Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life (2012)

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Post by doright »

hnthrowaway0315 wrote: post #72

I think a lot of it has to do with mental status, which can be concluded with one sentence -- "Are you happy with your life, and if not do you have a clear path to reach that?". People who say no probably has a lot of trouble to get fit, get enough sleep -- sometimes NOT because they do not have the resources, but because they are not happy. They hate life, so why makes it better? I have observed this in myself so I…

It really is. Exercise and eating well was an activity I became capable of participating in as a result of the correct therapy and dramatically boosted its effects, not something I could persist at when already depressed.

When people claim the contrary it's feels more of a test to see if you can be perceived as responsible enough for your own actions to be worth helping. An individualistic mindset like that isn't very productive at alleviating depression.

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