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Re: Viktor Orbán concedes defeat after 'painful' election result

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Post by card_zero »

stefs wrote: post #80
card_zero wrote: post #2

Ooooh. I didn't think it would happen. This disturbs the balance a bit.

which balance? orban was a parasite, trying to embezzle as much money from the EU without getting the boot (hungary as the biggest per-head receiver of EU funds), while probably also getting paid by russia - a hostile actor - for his actions (i.e. sabotaging the union and sowing dissent through propaganda). there was no balance there.

OK then, some other metaphor to say it allows things to change and allows escape from a static situation. It releases the brakes?

Re: Viktor Orbán concedes defeat after 'painful' election result

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Post by jacquesm »

tpm wrote: post #93
jacquesm wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With Orban much reduced in power Fico's days are numbered. But Orban will hang around, if only to do more of Putin's bidding, it's up to Magyar & the new government now to deal with Orban and his spies in a way that they won't be able to do a come-back.

Not really, Fico has survived a lot during his 4 decades in politics and was always able to adapt (to our detriment). His political survival does not depend on Orban, even though they were close the last couple of years.

That's absolutely true. But in a European context he's already vowed that he will now take up Orban's mantel in blockading EU assistance to Ukraine and other tricks. That means he will no longer be able to hide his involvement and I'm pretty sure that the same kind of conversations between Lavrov and Hungarian politicians can be found about Fico & company. They are clearly not acting in Slovakia's long term interests and that's something that can be much more openly discussed. Keeping in mind that Slovakia is only 1/3rd of so of the size economy as Hungary makes it less of a problem to begin with.

Strength to you, it must be super hard to be living under politicians that are ripping off your country in such a blatant manner on behalf of what is nominally now an enemy nation (based on their own statements), especially given what your country had to endure in the years before the fall of the USSR.

Re: Viktor Orbán concedes defeat after 'painful' election result

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Post by tpm »

jacquesm wrote: post #102
tpm wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really, Fico has survived a lot during his 4 decades in politics and was always able to adapt (to our detriment). His political survival does not depend on Orban, even though they were close the last couple of years.

That's absolutely true. But in a European context he's already vowed that he will now take up Orban's mantel in blockading EU assistance to Ukraine and other tricks. That means he will no longer be able to hide his involvement and I'm pretty sure that the same kind of conversations between Lavrov and Hungarian politicians can be found about Fico & company. They are clearly not acting in Slovakia's long term interests…

I think generally western EU has no idea how unbelievably corrupt these regimes (Fico, Orbana, Babis) are... they are not stealing on behalf of Putin, they are stealing for themselves, and they are oriented towards Russia because they dream of having Putin's unchecked power.

Luckily I don't think Fico will help Putin that much because nobody trusts him anymore, his foreign minister is very weak and as you mention Slovakia is no economical heavyweight. The hardest thing for us is to see the brainwashed masses still voting for Fico or worse still actual nazis.

Re: Viktor Orbán concedes defeat after 'painful' election result

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Post by orwin »

dbdr wrote: post #87
orwin wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, he basically have the same views, except on Russia. One advantage though is that Orban put his people at the head of Hungary corporations, so maybe that will end and the corruption will be kept at "normal" levels.

> A country where no one is stigmatized for loving someone differently than the majority. -- Peter Magyar victory speech, April 12, 2026 That's directly in opposition to Orban's views and homophobic laws.

Shit, i didn't realize, his name is really Magyar? I thought it was a surname. What a name for Hungary's president

Re: Viktor Orbán concedes defeat after 'painful' election result

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Post by dbdr »

orwin wrote: post #104
dbdr wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A country where no one is stigmatized for loving someone differently than the majority. -- Peter Magyar victory speech, April 12, 2026 That's directly in opposition to Orban's views and homophobic laws.

Shit, i didn't realize, his name is really Magyar? I thought it was a surname. What a name for Hungary's president

On a similar note, François Hollande had the right first name but the wrong last name!

Re: Viktor Orbán concedes defeat after 'painful' election result

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Post by consumer451 »

FeloniousHam wrote: post #96
comrade1234 wrote: post #35

Flagged due to sour grapes.

Probably flagged because of lack of tech relevance. (I listen Ukraine: The Latest daily, I'm reasonably up-to-date big issue European politics).

This is a hugely important geopolitical event, and mods here often override flagging in such cases.

Here is an example of HN moderation going the other way, when it favored a right-leaning narrative:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34712496

It is getting more and more difficult for me to see moderation here as unbiased. The charitable take is that people are often not aware of their biases. I am sure I suffer from that to some extent, though I really try to go out of my way to be self-aware about this. And yes, of course this comment could be evidence of my own bias.

Re: Viktor Orbán concedes defeat after 'painful' election result

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Post by patcon »

quantummagic wrote: post #50
ceejayoz wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good news! https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/19/godwins-la... > I’ve never said that just because you’re invoking the Nazis you’re losing the argument. If you’re going to compare somebody to Hitler or the Nazis or raise the specter of the Holocaust, be sure you’ve got your facts right. But there’s nothing categorically wrong with Biden’s — or anyone else’s — comparison of Trump calling people vermin or t…

> Trump went because... But in the end he went. The system worked exactly like it was supposed to. There is room to challenge results, that keeps the system honest. When he lost the challenges, he willingly stepped down. This is exactly how the system is designed to work. I understand the visceral hatred of Trump, but I don't know why every conversation about him has to degrade the same way this one has, with people…

Yeah, Trump is not normal, not playing normal politics. He's the worst form of opportunist.

Like yesterday, does anyone actually think he thought he was posting a meme about being a doctor? No, he was faith testing whether he could LARP as Jesus, and he couldn't. He's the fucking worst form of liar, as he even deceives himself. He's a mentally sick man, and a society that excuses his behavior is sick as well.

Re: Viktor Orbán concedes defeat after 'painful' election result

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Post by dbdr »

dbdr wrote: post #86
flopsamjetsam wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know much about him, only that he was in the same party. I have heard that he is pro-EU and anti-Russia though, is that true?

"Russians go home" was one of the main chants at opposition rallies. In 2026 like in 1989.

And in 1956 of course.

Re: Viktor Orbán concedes defeat after 'painful' election result

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Post by Dig1t »

jacquesm wrote: post #49
Dig1t wrote: post #25

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Can we please stop with the 'great replacement theory' drivel? You seem to want to drop that into conversations even though it is patent bullshit. Thank you. > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47666504 > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47521089

You’re free to disprove any of my arguments or data and I’ll shut up about it. As you’ve clearly looked at my other posts on the subject you can see I’ve provided figures for ethnic replacement before.

It’s a legitimate phenomenon and just labeling it as drivel doesn’t really refute it at all.

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