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The End of Eleventy

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Re: The End of Eleventy

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Post by cachius »

MidnightRider39 wrote: post #63
schaefer wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure you know about pandoc for translating markdown into html (and all it's other tricks).

Yea but that still requires a non-zero amount of time to setup and most importantly maintain and keep up to date. Pure HTML generated from a text file just works and probably will forever. I mean it’s just my personal website which is mostly just for me to look up things quickly / personal wiki

But the text file has some markup syntax beyond human language? Point being LLMs are subpar for acting on formal grammars, like cracking a nut with a sledgehammer. That's why its important tools like 11ty and pandoc remain.

Re: The End of Eleventy

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Post by jaza »

teekert wrote: post #43
xp84 wrote: post #5

SSGs versus Wordpress is surprisingly still a battle… I’m genuinely shocked at the number of sites on the Net that use Wordpress, dynamically assembling markup with PHP for every page view, risking constant hacking and stuff, when they have a total of like 7 or 100 pages, which could all be pre-rendered to HTML files in roughly 8 seconds on even a junky laptop or X-small ec2 instance. It really is okay. For those who…

I started my client's site on Hugo, withing 2 days I was editing something for them every 30 mins (slight exaggeration). They wanted something they could edit, they don't do Markdown, they don't manually write URLs they want to drag images into their posts and pages. So bye bye Hugo.

Check out TinaCMS. Works for editing Hugo sites. Not as nice as WordPress admin, but it's good enough for simple editing tasks.

Re: The End of Eleventy

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Post by Lammy »

9dev wrote: post #90
wltr wrote: post #80

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I can live preview my website from my local server / computer / laptop, while writing content from basically anything. Even a cheap and underpowered writing deck with 400 MHz CPU. The options are limitless.

You're absolutely underestimating the complexity of proper live preview of changes. This is essentially "hot reload" mode, but on the public internet, because it has to run on a public domain. Getting that right is a challenge, and if you don't know why, you haven't attempted to solve it yet.

Why would I want my WIP site to be on the public internet? This has been built into Jekyll for years. Probably other SSGs too but I don't know/use them.

  jekyll serve --watch --incremental

Re: The End of Eleventy

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Post by jaza »

InvisibleUp wrote: post #46

> The truth is, there has been no successful CMS for static-site generators because the only people that give a fuck about creating static sites would much prefer to use a (free and local) IDE and a terminal. I think a lot of less technical users would love a desktop app (or a web app integrated with their hosting provider) that lets them manage their website via a GUI, preview their changes with a split-screen view,…

Also sounds a bit like Joel Spolsky's desktop app CityDesk from back in the day.

Re: The End of Eleventy

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Post by swiftcoder »

oefrha wrote: post #59
ChrisArchitect wrote: post #11

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This. Totally confusing. Sounded like a very successful campaign, met goal. Why is the rest of that blog post ( https://blog.fontawesome.com/pausing-kickstarter/ ) so negative and like it's a big disappointment? Like Font Awesome was expecting some lengthy constantly growing source of income from it? So weird. (and also, first I'm seeing anything about this or given any reason to pay attention to what Font Awesome is…

Sounds like they had a much larger actual goal in mind and the low “initial” goal was some kind of calculated marketing trick that didn’t work due to emails landing in spam.

This is how pretty much all big kickstarters work these days - the goal is set artificially low to be able to show off momentum and claim "funded in 24 hours!", and often the initial goal amount is funded by friends and family to further the illusion of success.

Re: The End of Eleventy

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Post by Lammy »

nabeards wrote: post #44
xp84 wrote: post #5

SSGs versus Wordpress is surprisingly still a battle… I’m genuinely shocked at the number of sites on the Net that use Wordpress, dynamically assembling markup with PHP for every page view, risking constant hacking and stuff, when they have a total of like 7 or 100 pages, which could all be pre-rendered to HTML files in roughly 8 seconds on even a junky laptop or X-small ec2 instance. It really is okay. For those who…

For those looking for an SSG with WYSIWYG, please take a look at Publii. I have no affiliation other than being a user, but I wish more people were aware of it.

I am a fan of jekyll-admin: https://github.com/jekyll/jekyll-admin/

Its project page doesn't seem to have a screenshot of the post/page editor, but its editor is simplemde so one can just look at it directly: https://simplemde.com/

Re: The End of Eleventy

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Post by cheschire »

peteforde wrote: post #58

Many folks on HN are the exact sorts of people who have lived the thankless popular-enough-to-be-an-unpaid-job solo OSS maintainer dream, so I wonder if you feel as annoyed by the tone of this post as I do. I truly don't understand how the same folks that champion accessibility and humane ideals while humble bragging about working for $5/hour to help get local businesses online can throw so much shade on people who a…

> I truly don't understand how the same folks…

Why do you think it’s the same folks? People tend to be louder when they don’t agree with something, and many topics will divide a community mostly in half. The end result is that you will more than likely hear complaints and subtle digs/insults no matter what happens.

Re: The End of Eleventy

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Post by classified »

pjmlp wrote: post #92
trinix912 wrote: post #83

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That is true, but nowadays most paid projects end up being perpetual subscriptions. Which I kind of get, as on-going maintenance still costs, but it used to be that you paid for a tool once and only paid again if you wanted/needed an updated version. I'd gladly pay $15-$60 for a tool once (and again if I needed an update) but $10-$15 per month for 20 different things (that I will only use occasionally) is just out of…

How do you imagine it used to be when everything was commercial? On the plus side, at least there wasn't that many magpie development, and rewrites just because. Subscriptions are the only way to fix piracy.

> Subscriptions are the only way to fix piracy.

I'm not so sure. If they can't pay for a one-time purchase, they won't be able to afford a subscription. Subscriptions are always more expensive in the end, that's why they exist in the first place. I don't see how people not using the software while still not becoming customers is a fix to anything.

Re: The End of Eleventy

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Post by swiftcoder »

uxcolumbo wrote: post #89
Brajeshwar wrote: post #7

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It has been a while (I think ever since Safari introduced Reader Mode), and I do almost all my reading on websites in Reader Mode. For some websites, I have set to “Use Reader Mode when Available,” such as that of paulgraham.com, daringfireball.net, and quite a few others with horrible Typography.

Same here. Even this article wasn't that comfortable to read, so had to use Reader Mode. I don't understand though why reader mode is not always available. The text is there.

> I don't understand though why reader mode is not always available. The text is there.

Mostly because we don't have any standard markup to say "this is the content". Which means reader mode has to guess which tags contain the content, and this whole thing boils down to a pair of regexps[1]

[1]: https://github.com/mozilla/readability/blob/08be6b4bdb204dd3...

Re: The End of Eleventy

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Post by jaza »

11ty is my favourite site builder. Hugo is better in terms of dev support / build speed / opinionated simplicity - and I've also used Hugo several times - but quite often I've run into a wall where Hugo isn't flexible enough to let me do things the way I want. 11ty lets you do (almost) whatever the hell you please.

I'm sad to hear that the "OG 11ty era" has ended. But, as others have noted, fortunately 11ty will live on, so long as folks keep using it and hacking away at it.

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