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Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by boogieknite »

PessimalDecimal wrote: post #19
jt2190 wrote: post #4

> The lopsidedness was driven by huge growth in health care, where women hold nearly 80% of jobs. Over the past 12 months, health care alone added 390,000 jobs, more than in the economy overall, making up for job losses elsewhere. i.e. Nursing jobs mostly go to women not because men can’t do them because “nurses aren’t men”, per our current cultural norms.

There's been a lot of talk about "toxic masculinity" over the years but I've heard of and would worry about the female equivalent if I were considering a role in nursing as a man. Many stories where the only man in the room is expected to be, simultaneously, a punching bag, a mediator for drama, and a willing recipient of sexual advances. Seems awful

sarcasm? most of the people i hang with are nurses and instances of female bullying at the workplace is annoying at worst where their more sinister stories are about men stalking and making sexual advances. both male and female nurses telling me these stories at parties

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by boogieknite »

hereme888 wrote: post #38
jt2190 wrote: post #4

> The lopsidedness was driven by huge growth in health care, where women hold nearly 80% of jobs. Over the past 12 months, health care alone added 390,000 jobs, more than in the economy overall, making up for job losses elsewhere. i.e. Nursing jobs mostly go to women not because men can’t do them because “nurses aren’t men”, per our current cultural norms.

The job itself caters to the natural disposition of women much more than men. That said, having a some male nurses in every hospital to me is mandatory. You need men in those teams for various reasons. But overall the job caters to women. I also believe the number of female primary care physicians recently surpassed men. Or at least in Family Medicine, or something like that.

how? i dont think it caters to anyone particularly. in my experience its a quite physical job where, education being equal, caters toward motor skills, endurance, and strength. i think historically women were in nursing because they didnt fight in war, then the next generation saw nursing as a viable career for women repeat repeat repeat

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by boogieknite »

jt2190 wrote: post #4

> The lopsidedness was driven by huge growth in health care, where women hold nearly 80% of jobs. Over the past 12 months, health care alone added 390,000 jobs, more than in the economy overall, making up for job losses elsewhere. i.e. Nursing jobs mostly go to women not because men can’t do them because “nurses aren’t men”, per our current cultural norms.

seems regional. in the pnw i have male friends who wish they went into nursing

edit: said "quite a few" originally but then only counted 3

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by boogieknite »

wongarsu wrote: post #81
csomar wrote: post #45

> That parity masks the significant gains women have recently made in the labor market. Of the 369,000 jobs the Labor Department says were created since the start of Trump's second term, nearly all — 348,000 of them — went to women, with only 21,000 going to men. That's nearly 17 times as many jobs filled by women as by men. ... > Over the past 12 months, health care alone added 390,000 jobs, more than in the economy…

Rather than a health crisis it might just be the aging population. The generation born during the baby boom is getting pretty old right around now

and boy do they not like being told theyre old

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by boogieknite »

> The lopsidedness was driven by huge growth in health care, where women hold nearly 80% of jobs. Over the past 12 months, health care alone added 390,000 jobs, more than in the economy overall, making up for job losses elsewhere.

read a lot of backward assumptions for why "women hold nearly 80% of jobs" in health care. ill offer that its simply because when men fought in war, women worked as nurses. women used those skills to be nurses professionally. their kids saw women as nurses, making great money, and kids often try to do what they see adults around them do. over and over

theres nothing inherently feminine about nursing. its gritty job

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by [deleted] »

hackyhacky wrote: post #56
thepryz wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or it might simply be that there is a lot of unreported or unacknowledged mistreatment of men. I recall reading a study about harassment in the restaurant industry. Both genders were harassed but harassment towards men was largely ignored in the analysis because it didn't fit the focus or narrative of the authors. As a man who has worked in a predominantly female workplace, my experience has taught me that harassment…

> Or it might simply be that there is a lot of unreported or unacknowledged mistreatment of men. I am sure that there's a lot of unreported mistreatment of anyone who represents a minority in a given profession.

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Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by eudamoniac »

malfist wrote: post #74
joe_mamba wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Spare the fear mongering about "my testosterones!" Testosterone levels, when adjusted for BMI, are consistent. If you dont control for BMI they are declining, but thats a false comparison. Weed, video games and porn at home have nothing to do with testosterone.

This is almost certainly false. Source?

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by BoneShard »

vharuck wrote: post #90
williamdclt wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a shallow analysis. These reasons (which are very reasonable) aren't inherently gendered, yet don't seem to deter women as they make up something like 80-90% of these jobs, they're not "just not interested". So... seems like gender _does_ have something to do with that? Maybe just maybe more women gravitate towards these roles because these roles are associated with traditionally-feminine values (care, empathy…

Men are also often the primary breadwinners in families, so they feel the need to take a higher paying job. In families where the husband's job pays well, the wife's career can be decided by personal fulfillment. Teachers are respected (but not paid well), nurses are respected and can earn a good amount, and social work is a very self-fulfilling role (I don't think society holds them in esteem more than other profess…

Teachers paid well in some places, I checked it recently and in our school district(Seattle area) on average elementary school teacher makes 120-140k.

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by antisthenes »

bill_joy_fanboy wrote: post #20
cultofmetatron wrote: post #10

people are only starting to care because really bad things happen when you start to get a large portion of the male population being disenfranchised.

Yep. A bunch of unemployed and "unempowered" men sitting around leads to them thinking things like: "Maybe we shouldn't be so cooperative anymore."

So far it seems to lead to "let's play some co-op slop on Steam" this weekend, rather than anything else.

The US is wealthy enough that the hedonistic treadmill works even for poor-ish disenfranchised men.

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