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New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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Post by Lio »

fxtentacle wrote: post #16

While I agree with the general argument that iOS shouldn’t limit the user’s freedom, it looks to me like Apple actually put in some effort to make this as privacy-preserving as possible. The article somewhat glosses over it, but you can buy a PASS age verification card at the local post office for 15£. That one is widely accepted and it doesn’t contain unnecessary information that might cause trouble if it leaked (li…

I see several posts in this thread from different users suggesting that we buy an age verification ID card.

They all misformat currency in the same weird way. No one actually British writes 15£.

I don’t want to pay an extra tax to access the web or use my phone.

I don’t want to be monitored or censored by a nanny state because you don’t to stand up to your kids.

I’m angry that this is being brought in without discussion.

This is unacceptable to me. I’m going to vote for whichever party says it will revoke the Online Safety Act.

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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Post by blitzar »

Fizzadar wrote: post #46
fxtentacle wrote: post #16

While I agree with the general argument that iOS shouldn’t limit the user’s freedom, it looks to me like Apple actually put in some effort to make this as privacy-preserving as possible. The article somewhat glosses over it, but you can buy a PASS age verification card at the local post office for 15£. That one is widely accepted and it doesn’t contain unnecessary information that might cause trouble if it leaked (li…

Also parent in the UK - strong disagree, it’s part of our parental responsibilities to set this up, not doing it is the same as not watching a newly walking baby on the stairs (/etc). Compromising everyone’s privacy for a subset of lazy parents is a failing of society.

> subset of lazy parents is a failing of society

I would say we are closer to having society fail thanks to the woeful quality of parenting demonstrated by the majority.

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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Post by gloosx »

Thinking that Apple would urgently reconsider anything because of some angry blog post is rather naive. Until this s tangibly affecting Apple's finances the probability they are giving a single shite is approaching zero. Pixel phones and GrapheneOS stonks up.

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

#104

Post by throwaway290 »

Aurornis wrote: post #68
fxtentacle wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not worried about my parenting duties. I am worried about the inequality created for the kids if I am strict about rules, but other parents are not. That's why it is in my interest if other (lazier) parents are forced to comply. And yes, the PASS card has name and photo. But no adress, no social security number or secret ID or equivalent. If your PASS card leaks, nobody can create a bank account in your name. If…

> I am worried about the inequality created for the kids if I am strict about rules, but other parents are not. Different families can choose to raise their children differently. Please let other parents make their own parenting choices for their own kids. There are parents who are more strict with their kids than you are in ways you don’t agree with. I guarantee you wouldn’t be happy if they were lobbying to force y…

zero countries give infinite freedom about how you raise your kids. and if too many parents fail at something probably government should do it for them.

it's like drinking age. you can't send your kid for a beer. you are free to buy beer and let your kid drink a glass. same here. if something is not accessible to the kid directly you can still show it to your kid. you are the parent

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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Post by throwaway290 »

crote wrote: post #62
fxtentacle wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not worried about my parenting duties. I am worried about the inequality created for the kids if I am strict about rules, but other parents are not. That's why it is in my interest if other (lazier) parents are forced to comply. And yes, the PASS card has name and photo. But no adress, no social security number or secret ID or equivalent. If your PASS card leaks, nobody can create a bank account in your name. If…

If those restrictions are so good for children, wouldn't it be in your interest to enforce them - even when other parents do not? Or are you worried about your kids getting an unfair advantage over unrestricted ones?

It's not just you.

Imagine if smoking was allowed and considered cool. You basically must your child never allow to mingle with an average kid. If you are too busy at work, if you are single parent, or need a work trip, 100% you come back and your kid is a smoker.

All because what other families are free to decide and they don't give a fuck.

Do you want that world back? Do you have money to live in a gated house with private school and full time nanny and stuff so you can raise your child separately from the average? Must be nice

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

#106

Post by nslsm »

j16sdiz wrote: post #82
abtinf wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am all for the ban of social media. But I am afraid that it will give us more government meddling and interfering on our devices. A “ban” is literally government interference. Pick a lane.

interference on the individuals or interference on companies / service providers?

You can’t interfere on one without interfering on the other.

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

#107

Post by nslsm »

unglaublich wrote: post #88

This is what the people want and vote for? Can hardly blame Apple for following local regulations. Just sad that Western citizen are throwing hard earned privacy rights so easily out of the window. Giving in to the most trivial emotional blackmail.

You don’t get to vote for anything. I mean, you do, but the result will always be the same.

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

#108

Post by aembleton »

wewewedxfgdf wrote: post #66

Why stop at age? Not long till complete authentication of the human at every level is required to use a computer.

> Not long till complete authentication of the human at every level is required to use a computer.

It'll be needed to tackle bots

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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Post by sensanaty »

It's funny, I'm less worried about supposed "adult" content than I am "age-appropriate" content that these platforms push onto kids. Anyone remember those creepy as fuck Spiderman Elsa videos pushed on youtube kids?

Or hell, even "normal" content like MrBeast to me is infinitely more damaging to a kid's brain than porn or whatever other thing this policy bans. I'd much rather my kids regularly browse /b/ rather than consuming the brain rotting shit that MrBeast puts out.

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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Post by zimpenfish »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #47
Aurornis wrote: post #15

This article is not great. It doesn't link to anything other than itself and two of those links are "donate" and "subscribe". I found this Apple Insider page with more information and an actual description of how it works, from someone doing journalism instead of soliciting donations and subscriptions: https://appleinsider.com/articles/26/02/25/how-age-verificat... It's going to take some more searching to find an ar…

>According to that article if you have a long-standing Apple account ... I can confirm that is the case.

Finally

This is the third (or fourth) update with this age check and the only one that doesn't enforce credit card (I don't have one), driving licence (I don't have one) or national ID card (I don't have one) as the only methods of verification.

Absolute shambles of a rollout (and I'm hoping it was UKGOV requirements, not just Apple being braindead.)

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