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Session is shutting down in 90 days

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Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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Post by its-summertime »

Ms-J wrote: post #74

Session was Australian based which means they would have to do all sorts of horrible things when asked by the government, such as even letting police impersonate users... I just checked and they claim to have moved their infra to Switzerland. There are many other issues, some I've forgotten about since I would never trust it in the first place. They also require a phone number even! Seeing them go, I feel neutral. It…

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/nov/05/sessi... they moved more than their infra

> They also require a phone number even!

"You don’t need a mobile number or an email to make an account with Session." - https://getsession.org/faq#identity-protection

Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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Post by maerF0x0 »

I had never heard of this, why session over signal?

Edit: here is a snippet from google AI:

   Signal is a secure, user-friendly WhatsApp alternative requiring a phone number, while Session prioritizes maximum anonymity with no phone number, onion routing, and a decentralized network

Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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Post by miki123211 »

coldpie wrote: post #14

I feel like a crazy person for having to write this, but: if you are starting a business (yes, non-profits are businesses), then you need to have a business plan. If you launch a business and you have not done the work to have a business plan, then in 99.999% of situations, your business will fail. A business plan includes market & competitive research, a revenue plan based on that research that includes realistic pr…

Slack (originally an MMO), Nintendo (card games), Nokia (rubber shoes) and Netflix (DVDs over snail mail) would disagree.

"We'll gather a bunch of talented people together, figure out what this industry needs and then do that, let's hope we can do that before the money runs out" can be a viable business plan. There's no guarantee it's going to work, there's never a guarantee a plan is going to work, but it can work sometimes.

Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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Post by jasonkester »

My advice: If you want people to give you money so that you don’t have to shut down, and you’re writing a ten paragraph plea for donations, consider using one of those paragraphs to tell people what your thing is.

If we knew what it was, we might want to help.

Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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Post by ecshafer »

randomdrake wrote: post #98
coldpie wrote: post #14

I feel like a crazy person for having to write this, but: if you are starting a business (yes, non-profits are businesses), then you need to have a business plan. If you launch a business and you have not done the work to have a business plan, then in 99.999% of situations, your business will fail. A business plan includes market & competitive research, a revenue plan based on that research that includes realistic pr…

When I was in college, we were required to take a business class (Business 101) that mandated a finished business plan as part of the project. It had to be long, in-depth, and include everything you mentioned. I was incredibly surprised when I entered the tech and startup workforce that these were generally absent. I had misunderstood the class and instructor and thought that you couldn't even start a business withou…

There is some great irony that you can have a flashy app with good user growth, and get a chunk of cash from a vc firm. But if you want to get a loan from a Bank to open a restaurant you best have a business plan.

Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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Post by dpiers »

miki123211 wrote: post #105
coldpie wrote: post #14

I feel like a crazy person for having to write this, but: if you are starting a business (yes, non-profits are businesses), then you need to have a business plan. If you launch a business and you have not done the work to have a business plan, then in 99.999% of situations, your business will fail. A business plan includes market & competitive research, a revenue plan based on that research that includes realistic pr…

Slack (originally an MMO), Nintendo (card games), Nokia (rubber shoes) and Netflix (DVDs over snail mail) would disagree. "We'll gather a bunch of talented people together, figure out what this industry needs and then do that, let's hope we can do that before the money runs out" can be a viable business plan. There's no guarantee it's going to work, there's never a guarantee a plan is going to work, but it can work s…

You’re neglecting the fact that each one of those businesses had a plan, they just pivoted to more successful plans.

Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

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Post by egypturnash »

jasonkester wrote: post #106

My advice: If you want people to give you money so that you don’t have to shut down, and you’re writing a ten paragraph plea for donations, consider using one of those paragraphs to tell people what your thing is. If we knew what it was, we might want to help.

Their logo actually links to their front page for once so it's not too hard to find out that Session is "The decentralized private messaging app", even if you're on a touchscreen. No need to fuss around and figure out how to get from "session.blogplace.org" to "getsession.com" by editing raw URLs like I feel happens with half the posts like this.

It could still use a paragraph or two of "why we believe it's important for this particular decentralized private messaging app to exist when there are about six hundred other decentralized private messaging apps out there that nobody but people who care passionately about decentralization are using", though.

(This is not a question that I feel their FAQ addresses, either: https://getsession.org/faq)

Re: Session is shutting down in 90 days

#110

Post by Jigsy »

RandomGerm4n wrote: post #70

That’s not really a big deal since the session encryption was insecure anyway. It feels almost like a honeypot after they've removed forward secrecy. If you’re looking for a decentralized alternative SimpleX Chat is a more secure option.

My issue with SimpleX is that the company is in the UK, and it's developed in the UK under UK law. https://simplex.chat/transparency/

Considering how fiercely anti-encryption the UK is/has become (because "only child molesters care about encryption!"), this is sadly reason enough for me not to trust it.

Do I believe they have a backdoor in their software? No.

But if the UK passes a law demanding they introduce one...

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