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Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by graemep »

igorramazanov wrote: post #73
mikkupikku wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After America attacked them, sure, and in any case they aren't even attacking America, so again, why is America involved?

My personal opinion is that, it's because with the previous political and cultural trends, West had (maybe still has) actually quite high chances of collapsing and falling in the long term due to its own indecisiveness, lots of words mixed a lack of actions against coordinated and targeted efforts of Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Belarus, Cuba, China, Syria and North Korea. I remember national state TV in Russia talking a…

If the west collapses it will be because of its internal problems. Inefficiency, bad government, inequality.

I think you are right that the West is complacent about its enemies because it cannot really shake the belief in its superiority that came from winning the cold war and dominating the world in the decades after, I just do not think that is the biggest threat.

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

SanjayMehta wrote: post #84
graemep wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iran has threatened to destroy water supplies in the Gulf states, which would kill huge numbers of people.

And do you blame them? US behaviour in Iraq, Yugoslavia et al has always been to attack power stations and civilian infrastructure first. The 47th war criminal in chief Trump and his Secretary of War(crimes) is making threats on TV and social media. I would love to see the terrorist regime of Iran collapse but in this scenario, sorry, the US is completely in the wrong.

> do you blame them?

Blame is a weird word for geopolitics. I think Iran fucked up hitting those targets pre-emptively. Someone at home had to show their hard-liner boss that they were just as hard-line as he is. So they did something macho. The consequences be damned.

The mirroring of dysfunction on each side of this war is uncanny.

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by gryzzly »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #93
gryzzly wrote: post #80

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1979-1981 - Tehran, Iran — 66 Americans held hostage 444 days 1983 Apr - Beirut, Lebanon — 17 Americans killed (U.S. Embassy bombing) 1983 Oct - Beirut, Lebanon — 241 U.S. military killed (Marine barracks bombing) 1984 Mar - Beirut, Lebanon — 1 American killed (CIA chief Buckley kidnapped, later killed) 1985 Jun - Beirut, Lebanon — 1 American killed (TWA Flight 847 hijacking) 1989 Jul - Lebanon — 1 American killed (C…

Would be stronger with a source. Otherwise, it feels on the border of being potential AI slop.

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Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by gambiting »

SanjayMehta wrote: post #78
b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #69

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both wars are equally unjustified, but the US has lost what, 20 people per hour of his war.

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>>from The Ukraine

It's just Ukraine. Unless you're doing this on purpose.

>>and even a blatantly biased outlet is unable to prove such assertions like 20 people per hour

https://www.csis.org/analysis/russias-grinding-war-ukraine

It seems to hover around 30k dead a month recently, so 1000 people a day, divided by 24, that's actually ~41 people an hour.

But you know, even if we assume these numbers are wildly innacurate and only half those given...that's still 20 per hour?

>>X and Telegram channels are full of videos of freshly dug graves in The Ukraine.

No doubt, but what does that have to do with anything.

>>Edit: since Hypocrisy News is rate limiting me I can't reply to the redditor asking for a source:

So on one hand you call BBC a highly biased source, and then you link an article from it? So which one is it? Is it biased, or is it the source of your information?

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by gryzzly »

kdheiwns wrote: post #96
gryzzly wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iranian proxies are responsible for well over 1,000 American deaths since 1979, and there were dozens of foiled plots on American soil and hundreds of individual militia attacks in Iraq and Syria, directed by Iran.

For reference, how many times has the US interfered with Iran's government and how many people in Iran has the US killed since 1979? That's the only way to get a fair view of this discussion. Just wondering if all this happened in a vacuum or, god forbid, Iran maybe has some reason to dislike the US.

this was a reply to people saying "Iran is not attacking the US". It is of course convenient to bend this discussion into a different direction, but this was a reply to blind propaganda that sees only one side as responsible for bad things.

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by gambiting »

rainworld wrote: post #98
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Russia exchanges 20+ bodies for each received from The Ukraine Source?

https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-repatriates-bodies-of-1-... 1000 Ukrainians for 38 Russians. Such exchanges with similarly lopsided ratios happen every couple weeks.

Maybe it's simply because Ukrainians aren't killing Russians within territory they control, so they don't have as many bodies to exchange. Looking at body exchanges to determine the number of dead people on either side seems just...like a weird metric?

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

rainworld wrote: post #98
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Russia exchanges 20+ bodies for each received from The Ukraine Source?

https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-repatriates-bodies-of-1-... 1000 Ukrainians for 38 Russians. Such exchanges with similarly lopsided ratios happen every couple weeks.

Article says "Russia is likely handing over more bodies than it receives since its troops have captured more Ukrainian bodies than vice versa, since they have been on the offensive for most of the war."

That could be bullshit. But it holds water as a hypothesis. If Ukraine were suffering 20:1 casualty ratios against itself on the field, Russia would have won already. There are no weapons that can overcome a small belligerent losing more bodies than the larger one.

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

megous wrote: post #100
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Wasn’t that in response to Trump posting that he’d hit theirs? It's Iran. They haven't been following international law since 1979. That isn't an excuse to commit war crimes against them. But Iran really doesn't have any legs to stand on when it comes to complaining about targeting civilian infrastructure–they and their proxies have been doing this for decades.

Just claiming something doesn't make it true. And also there's the whole scale thing.

> there's the whole scale thing

Sort of? I don't think that's really how war crimes work. Unless we're objectively in eye-for-an-eye territory, in which case we're not really talking about international law anymore. (To be clear, I think everyone talking about international law in this conflict is posturing. We've been collectively setting new norms for years, and between Russia, China and America, the rules seem to have inched closer to total war.)

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by bigfatkitten »

SanjayMehta wrote: post #78
b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

both wars are equally unjustified, but the US has lost what, 20 people per hour of his war.

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> The Ukraine

The fact you use this term makes it quite clear which side you’re speaking for.

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by mikkupikku »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #94
b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

both wars are equally unjustified, but the US has lost what, 20 people per hour of his war.

> the US has lost what, 20 people per hour of his war Not sure why you're being downvoted. Russia's economy and military have been flogged by their war in a way America's has not. Moreover, we have midterms this year and a Presidential election in 2. Moscow has no similar 'fuck it' exit option.

The American people are already getting flogged when they buy fuel and groceries. The longer this war continues the worse it will get. Nonetheless, the American people themselves are mostly safe at home, the precedent for Iran launching any sort of attacks against the American homeland is basically nonexistent. Even sending terror cells, you'd think Iran would be on this for how often their western critics accuse them of funding terrorism, but in America? Crickets. This war is bullshit.
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