So are you also not allowed to move away or? I find it pretty messed up that your life as a man is literally owned by the government.
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German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad
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#102It’s interesting to read the discussion here through the lens of obligations vs rights. It would seem the rights are definitely winning.
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Sorry to burst your strawman argument, but I would support the same draft mechanism for women, as it is in Norway.
But sure, continue to rail against equality and feminism for no reason.
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#105> While the law requires men to request the permit, the spokesperson clarified, it also obliges the military career center to issue it, if "no specific military service is expected during the period in question.” > "Since military service under current law is based exclusively on voluntary participation, such permissions must generally be granted,” the official added. > When asked, the ministry spokesperson pointed o…
Ah, invasive extra paperwork (enforced by criminal penalties, at least in theory) for something they say on the surface they won’t actually need. So very german (hah)
I suppose it's only a boring piece of extra paperwork until at some moment the permit stops being automatically issued.
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#106I don't think there is any moat here, most European countries have these kind of "deprecated" laws, that are not enforced and just stay there because it's too much of a hassle to remove. In France, I think there are still laws forbidding women to wear jeans, and requiring permission of the husband to work. Still in the text of law, but obviously non enforceable.
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#107Why does it exclude women? War is not just physical strength, but also logistics, operating vehicles, operating drones, nursing, and so on. All tasks that women are well capable of.
Honestly, I don't think the problem with war is that not enough women die in it. It makes more sense to argue against forcing anyone against their will to fight in a war.
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#108So are you also not allowed to move away or? I find it pretty messed up that your life as a man is literally owned by the government.
Yes you are: the article says that the permission must be granted in general by authorities (I guess no war and not active military) and no penalties for breaching it.
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The new military service law requires all men under 45 to seek approval from the Bundeswehr to leave the country for longer than three months. It also obliges the military career center to issue it. New. Not cold war. This didn't exist before.
It's a re-instatement of a cold war era law that was suspended in 2011.
The point is not when the law originated, but that it's being reinstated.
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#110Why does it exclude women? War is not just physical strength, but also logistics, operating vehicles, operating drones, nursing, and so on. All tasks that women are well capable of.
Because CDU is the government.