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Re: Android Developer Verification

#101

What % of Android users actually want this? Do they know or care? I've been using Android since 2010 because it was open in ways that the Apple ecosystem wasn't. I do not want this and imagine hardly any other power users (for lack of a better term) do. I'm already using a mostly deGoogled device but this really seals the deal. I have been longing for a true Linux phone for years and now seems like a good time to get…

Pretty much everyone would hate it if a relative lost their life savings to a scammer, though they may not know it yet.

The idea isn't to protect the power users or average users. It's to protect the most vulnerable. Android is for everyone. Us power users will have a minor speed bump, but we can deal.

Re: Android Developer Verification

#102
post #80

Don't love it but (1) it's addressing a serious problem and I'm not sure what the alternative is and (2) if you all remember the starting place, it was staggeringly, dramatically worse, practically a death sentence for F-Droid and seemingly testing the waters for if they could simply power through and do it despite objection. This is a major course correction that doesn't kill F-Droid. A one time 24 hour hoop to jump…

It's pretending to address a serious issue while giving Google significant power to limit distribution of apps Google doesn't like, which could sometimes include legal apps that certain governments don't like such as the recently famous ICEBlock. Google says they don't intend to do that, but even if I believe that's their current intention, they have a strong incentive to do otherwise in the future. Incentives predic…

> they have a strong incentive to do otherwise in the future.

The reality is far worse than that. Remember FBI vs Apple? That defense came down to Apple not having software in place that could facilitate the demand being made of them. If they'd had such a system they would presumably have been required to comply.

The government can presumably get an illegal app forcibly removed from an app store but at present you could still install it yourself. With this system they could compel Google to block it entirely.

Re: Android Developer Verification

#103
I am part of the team running keepandroidopen.org and corralling the signatures for the open letter opposing this program. We've been trying to get Google to reverse course on this program ever since it was announced.

As it stands, Android Developer Verification (ADV) is a death sentence for F-Droid, Obtainium, and other competitors to the Google Play Store, both commercial and non-commercial. We are disappointed that they are still trying to steamroll this through in the face of overwhelming public opposition.

There are numerous reasons to object to the program, but a few of the top ones are:

1. You own your computer, and you should be the sole decision-maker for what software you can install on it.

2. "Malware" means whatever Google says it means, and their terms and conditions change daily; today malware is banking scams, tomorrow it is … ad-blocking? VPNs? Their decisions are un-reviewable and opaque, and they have obvious commercial incentives to block certain kinds of (otherwise-legal) software.

3. Centralizing global developer registrations through a US corporation makes it subject to the rules (and whims) of the current regime. Citizens of sanctioned countries or members of sanctioned entities (like the International Criminal Court) will be legally barred from registering, blocking them from creating and distributing software _anywhere_ in the world (not just the US).

4. Scenarios that Google claims ADV will protect against — such as high-pressure phone calls manipulating vulnerable users into installing scam apps — have _already_ been addressed by incremental improvements to Android security over the years, such as "Enhanced Fraud Protection" introduced in Android 13 (and expanded in Android 15). Android has incrementally improved its security features over its near 20 years of existence. There is no evidence that anything has suddenly changed to justify such a disproportionate and extreme lockdown.

5. Being required to pay Google for the privilege of uploading your government identification so that you might be permitted to contribute to the Android software ecosystem is such an abominable insult to the developers that helped build the platform. It deserves all the utter contempt that has been heaped upon it thus far, and begs regulatory scrutiny from those few countries that still have the courage to stand up to these bullies.

We emphatically recommend against developers signing up for this program or endorsing it in any way.

Re: Android Developer Verification

#104

What % of Android users actually want this? Do they know or care? I've been using Android since 2010 because it was open in ways that the Apple ecosystem wasn't. I do not want this and imagine hardly any other power users (for lack of a better term) do. I'm already using a mostly deGoogled device but this really seals the deal. I have been longing for a true Linux phone for years and now seems like a good time to get…

Pretty much everyone would hate it if a relative lost their life savings to a scammer, though they may not know it yet. The idea isn't to protect the power users or average users. It's to protect the most vulnerable. Android is for everyone . Us power users will have a minor speed bump, but we can deal.

Android is for everyone, provided they submit to Google exclusively. It's not about power users, and that isn't a speed bump. You can protect vulnerable users without centralizing power like they did, but that's not their motivation so here we are.

Re: Android Developer Verification

#105
post #89

The sad thing is only a tiny minority of android users side load apps. The rest will feel their phone is one step more secure.

How is it more secure for the people who don't sideload apps?

They'll feel it's more secure. It won't actually be but they'll feel that way and vibes are important. /s

Re: Android Developer Verification

#107

What % of Android users actually want this? Do they know or care? I've been using Android since 2010 because it was open in ways that the Apple ecosystem wasn't. I do not want this and imagine hardly any other power users (for lack of a better term) do. I'm already using a mostly deGoogled device but this really seals the deal. I have been longing for a true Linux phone for years and now seems like a good time to get…

Pretty much everyone would hate it if a relative lost their life savings to a scammer, though they may not know it yet. The idea isn't to protect the power users or average users. It's to protect the most vulnerable. Android is for everyone . Us power users will have a minor speed bump, but we can deal.

How very noble of Google /s

Re: Android Developer Verification

#108

What % of Android users actually want this? Do they know or care? I've been using Android since 2010 because it was open in ways that the Apple ecosystem wasn't. I do not want this and imagine hardly any other power users (for lack of a better term) do. I'm already using a mostly deGoogled device but this really seals the deal. I have been longing for a true Linux phone for years and now seems like a good time to get…

Being able to side load apps was why I switched to android 10 years ago

Please call it what it is and always has been:

   I.N.S.T.A.L.L.I.N.G   S.O.F.T.W.A.R.E
"side load" is like "jay walking' seeks to stigmatize humans being human.

Re: Android Developer Verification

#109
post #35

The Android verification is such a broken experience. Recently I decided to purchase a dev account for my company, so far: 1) Provided my company DUNS number etc. once to create the payment profile. I did this some times ago, don’t remember the details but it was an involved verification process and it is marked as verified business payment profile. 2) Later on the payment step verified myself with a passport and ban…

If this is a business account why do they want your passport? And why are you paying with a personal bank card rather than a business one? Or do I misunderstand?

They may want proof that you, the human filling out this form, are authorized to publish apps, communications, etc. as the company you say you represent.

Re: Android Developer Verification

#110

What % of Android users actually want this? Do they know or care? I've been using Android since 2010 because it was open in ways that the Apple ecosystem wasn't. I do not want this and imagine hardly any other power users (for lack of a better term) do. I'm already using a mostly deGoogled device but this really seals the deal. I have been longing for a true Linux phone for years and now seems like a good time to get…

Android is becoming more Apple-ized everyday; it's horrible and more and more APIs get neutered or disappear, further limiting functionality available to developers.
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