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Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Not before handing over an enormous cache of NHS patient data to them during the pandemic. If memory serves, this was not kept on NHS hardware or even NHS controlled compute.

Yes whoever decided to let them do this has a lot of explaining to do. This data should never have left the UK.

Grab them by the balls and make sure they are never able to make a political decision with such an impact again.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

#102

I wonder what the alternative for Europe might be? A new project to launch, or is there an existing solution? Siren? Argon? In any case, it could be a great opportunity for Europe to create new jobs whilst increasing its sovereignty.

Palantir's technology, as its own name suggests, is inherently dangerous, regardless of who controls it. The right alternative is to simply not build capabilities similar to Palantir in the EU - ideally, to legally forbid building them at all. This type of aggregated data flow simply gives too much control to whoever has access to it, and thus greatly harms democracy.

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Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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Also "ICE separate[s] families" is such a ridiculous mischaracterization it makes me question all their other arguments.

> ICE separate[s] families" is such a ridiculous mischaracterization It's accurate. They do separate families. How or why doesn't matter, the fact stands in its own. It's not a "mischaracterization", it's a fact.

If context is irrelevant then every country in Europe already separates families, and thus how can this be a complaint?

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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I don't think there has ever been a company so poorly understood (willfully or otherwise) as Palantir. They make a software platform, it does not come with any data, does not come connected to any datasources, etc. You can literally sign up right now for a trial and see this for yourself. It looks the same if you were to purchase a license. This headline might as well say 'Say No to PostgreSQL' or 'Say No to Excel' o…

> This headline might as well say 'Say No to PostgreSQL' or 'Say No to Excel' or 'Say No to Salesforce', etc. Wild. Wat? These are wildly different things: > Say No to PostgreSQL Sure, if you self-host it, this would be a stupid thing to say. > Say No to Excel A little worse: it's proprietary and who knows what it does and where it sends your data. > Say No to Salesforce Way worse: they host the data, and who knows w…

A lot of words but you could have simply searched to know that Palantir offers self hosting.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

#105

How do we differentiate between genuine empathy and love for the world and simple virtue signalling? If USA weren't the one safeguarding (contentious but please read on) the world and its modern interests then we would end up with something much worse. If you only focus locally, it is quite easy to dismiss any form of killing, any form of surveillance and any form of inconvenience. This is "Defund the Police" meme al…

> we would end up with something much worse.

Whenever I see this, I recognize it as obvious scaremongering.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

#106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Palantir's technology, as its own name suggests, is inherently dangerous, regardless of who controls it. The right alternative is to simply not build capabilities similar to Palantir in the EU - ideally, to legally forbid building them at all. This type of aggregated data flow simply gives too much control to whoever has access to it, and thus greatly harms democracy.

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Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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How do we differentiate between genuine empathy and love for the world and simple virtue signalling? If USA weren't the one safeguarding (contentious but please read on) the world and its modern interests then we would end up with something much worse. If you only focus locally, it is quite easy to dismiss any form of killing, any form of surveillance and any form of inconvenience. This is "Defund the Police" meme al…

> we would end up with something much worse. Whenever I see this, I recognize it as obvious scaremongering.

When I saw "defund the policy" I recognised it as virtue signalling.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

#108
post #77

I don't think there has ever been a company so poorly understood (willfully or otherwise) as Palantir. They make a software platform, it does not come with any data, does not come connected to any datasources, etc. You can literally sign up right now for a trial and see this for yourself. It looks the same if you were to purchase a license. This headline might as well say 'Say No to PostgreSQL' or 'Say No to Excel' o…

Is their code open? Can you somehow attest that the data it ingests is fully under control of the client that uses the platform? The comparison to PostgreSQL in particular is very poor in that regard.

You can self host it on premises. I think the comparison is fair for most of the products offered by Palantir.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

#109

How do we differentiate between genuine empathy and love for the world and simple virtue signalling? If USA weren't the one safeguarding (contentious but please read on) the world and its modern interests then we would end up with something much worse. If you only focus locally, it is quite easy to dismiss any form of killing, any form of surveillance and any form of inconvenience. This is "Defund the Police" meme al…

> How do we differentiate between genuine empathy and love for the world and simple virtue signalling?

We don't bother doing that because it's a waste of time.

> I gain social points

You gain no social points.

Re: Say No to Palantir in Europe

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How do we differentiate between genuine empathy and love for the world and simple virtue signalling? If USA weren't the one safeguarding (contentious but please read on) the world and its modern interests then we would end up with something much worse. If you only focus locally, it is quite easy to dismiss any form of killing, any form of surveillance and any form of inconvenience. This is "Defund the Police" meme al…

> How do we differentiate between genuine empathy and love for the world and simple virtue signalling? We don't bother doing that because it's a waste of time. > I gain social points You gain no social points.

>We don't bother doing that because it's a waste of time.

It literally isn't. I'm not sure what you are trying to say here.

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