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ESP32-S31: Dual-Core RISC-V SoC with Wi-Fi 6, Bluetooth 5.4, and Advanced HMI

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Re: ESP32-S31: Dual-Core RISC-V SoC with Wi-Fi 6, Bluetooth 5.4, and Advanced HMI

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Argh…Wifi 6 , but 2.4ghz.

Adding 2 frequency ranges is more expensive. If you're going to choose just one, you should choose the one with the greatest backward compatibility.

Realistically 2.4Ghz is far from "greatest backward compatibility" since there is a real benefit of running 5Ghz and 6Ghz only networks.

2.4Ghz makes sense because this tiny device does not need high speeds Wi-Fi connection, and deployment scenarios benefit from 2.4 GHz penetration more.

Re: ESP32-S31: Dual-Core RISC-V SoC with Wi-Fi 6, Bluetooth 5.4, and Advanced HMI

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Don't use the Arduino framework, use ESP-IDF or Rust.

how's Rust on the xtensa cores ?

Still requires using rust compiled against their llm fork. 'espup' makes it easy if you're okay with using it.

Other than that it works pretty well. This is if you run ESP-IDF, with bare-metal rust it's either best thing ever or meh. Rust community seems to use stm32 and picos more.

Re: ESP32-S31: Dual-Core RISC-V SoC with Wi-Fi 6, Bluetooth 5.4, and Advanced HMI

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It's an IoT device, not a laptop. It does not really need 5ghz to fulfill its purpose as an embedded CPU, and adding 5ghz likely would require making some room for it by removing other functionality.

Yes and in some uses cases it works against you. 2.4 is incredibly crowded without adding 802.11 to the mix. My IoT admins would have less complaints if they could take advantage of my small cell 5Ghz spectrum. This isn't 2005 with widely deployed asymmetrical wireless networks.

Can't you just underpower the antenna on a 2.4 radio if you need networks that don't bleed into each other as badly? Unless it's an issue because of the tiny antennas that usually come on microcontrollers.

Re: ESP32-S31: Dual-Core RISC-V SoC with Wi-Fi 6, Bluetooth 5.4, and Advanced HMI

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Interesting that they made a new chip with BLE+BR/EDR again. all the chips after the original ESP32 were BLE only. Hope this chip has good low power options so we can use it in Bluetooth audio workloads.

It supports LE Audio, might help getting that tech some traction

Re: ESP32-S31: Dual-Core RISC-V SoC with Wi-Fi 6, Bluetooth 5.4, and Advanced HMI

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PoE power supplies need to be isolated (except in rare exceptions) and handle much higher voltages than common USB-C or wall wart power supplies. They have to use a transformer and a more complex control strategy, not a simple buck regulator with an inductor. PoE inputs need to tolerate voltages several times higher than the highest USB-C voltages, so more expensive parts are used everywhere.

Any Ethernet (well, any RJ45 you expect in a home/office) has to have at least 1500V isolation from the RJ45 wire to anything metal that can be touched or is a connector on the device. A PoE-only device with no electrical connectors besides the RJ45 can just use a very cheap RJ45 port with integrated magnetics and PoE allowance (tiny bit bigger wires and a center pin exposed, less than 50ct more than the cheapest RJ4…

> cheap buck from 40~80V to e.g. 5V.

That’s not a cheap buck lol. Order of magnitude more expensive then 12v not even mentioning capacitors that can withstand 80v is $$$ and your derating goes to shit

Re: ESP32-S31: Dual-Core RISC-V SoC with Wi-Fi 6, Bluetooth 5.4, and Advanced HMI

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My 2.4ghz is basically all IOT these days. Things that matter are on 5 or 6 ghz. Busy moving the entire thing to be entirely firewalled off given how clean the separation is

>My 2.4ghz is basically all IOT these days. Yup. And it's exactly why some of my IoT admins are struggling. There is only so much spectrum to go around.

Don't think you're ever going to reclaim that spectrum successfully. There must be billions of devices on it. Pretty much any other ghz number is a better bet

Re: ESP32-S31: Dual-Core RISC-V SoC with Wi-Fi 6, Bluetooth 5.4, and Advanced HMI

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Are there any US vendors with wifi/BLE-integrated MCUs -- a single package that does it all?

It has become limited. Some have WiFi, some have Bluetooth but rarely both. There is the SiWx917M (https://www.silabs.com/wireless/wi-fi/siwx917-wireless-socs) by SiliconLabs though.

If we include western companies you get the NXP RW612 (https://www.nxp.com/products/wireless-connectivity/wi-fi-plu...) which is dutch.

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