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Colibri – chat platform built on the AT Protocol for communities big and small

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Re: Colibri – chat platform built on the AT Protocol for communities big and small

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Not aware of many apps that force oauth and don't allow email signup... The only exception some github centric apps that request too much and then are mostly let down by github not getting their auth screens up to standards for years, but who is surprised there. I just don't try those unless i already trust the company and really need to. But all that aside i think a protocol aiming to liberate users and be an open a…

> Atproto needs to show some commitment to the values of putting users first, its so close. I think the Bluesky domination and recent "funding" from Bain Capital move it away from these goals. I've left the app and ecosystem. "user" growth is negative and they are misleading about how many "accounts" there are. The hero holds the lies: https://atproto.com/ To get to the widely cited 43M "users" you have to count DIDs…

Im somewhat in the middle. I see great things coming out of atmosphere and people who really mean well and do great work. But there are some of these significant gaps that are not addressed in what i think would be the appropriate manner. So far i don't assume too much ill will and instead consider they have many of these topics that matter to different people. If these are still unaddressed when the teams work on seemingly way less important topics is when we should really hear alarm bells. Not related but arc/ browser company using firebase without export and user access to their data was ok as long as it was an experiment in next gen browser UX, but when they started making haptic feedback for the slider to set your colour scheme, while not giving users a way to access their own spaces data was clear it was game over. ATproto is just an experiment no one should build serious things on until there are proper access controls and more importantly an independent European provider for plc.directory etc. and its provable to work without US company mercy.

Re: Colibri – chat platform built on the AT Protocol for communities big and small

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What is your point? I feel I made the one you are making before you even responded the first time. That Discord communications can be exfiltrated in this specific set of circumstances (again, something I already said) does little to change that Colibri is implemented in the least privacy preserving way possible, short of publishing directly to every news and intelligence agency on your behalf, and does little to make…

you said: Users in a Discord server/local community on tools like Discord naturally expect that their actions within that community are private in so far as they trust everyone in the community (including the operator) to keep it so. my point is: you don't get that in a public discord. and i believe that most discord servers, those for games anyways are public. only small team discord servers are private. privacy on…

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47541174 proves my point.

Re: Colibri – chat platform built on the AT Protocol for communities big and small

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Private channels in public servers exist. I'm almost entirely on private servers.

This is one of the challenging aspects about defining permissioned spaces on atproto. In essence, you have a completely separate database per user (sits next to their repo) with which you can do permissioned public->private spectrum. Nesting more privacy inside another permissioned space requires breaking the typical permission walking chain, eg. in Google Docs, if you have access to a folder, you have access to the…

Yea, and it's a protocol problem more than anything. It would not be difficult to bolt on some kind of permissioning system to a PDS, but nothing else in the system would know how to handle that.

Re: Colibri – chat platform built on the AT Protocol for communities big and small

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Only my own messages are in my PDS? Or the entire chat? How is the chat displayed if messages are scattered among multiple PDSes? What about the community metadata, where is it stored?

Your own messages are on your PDS. The chat, the category, community and all metadata are stored on the PDS of the person who created the community. The chat is then displayed via our app view, which keeps a live index of all messages and provides some endpoints to collect them!

So if a user is banned from their PDS and they haven't backed up their keys, the community is screwed? That seems like a pretty big flaw.

Re: Colibri – chat platform built on the AT Protocol for communities big and small

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Is there something like this on top of nostr too? I'd much rather see nostr because it's truly open.

Does Nostr have private content? That's a required feature for a chat platform.

Yes. Here are some specifications that describe it: https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/17.md and https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/59.md

Re: Colibri – chat platform built on the AT Protocol for communities big and small

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Is there anything like this but more of a reddit style layout? I'm on a Facebook group and we're actively trying to get off of all Meta platforms, and wanted to see whether I could start up my own platform using an open source platform - but I think something like Reddit would be more suitable as opposed to a massive chat UI.

Maybe Lemmy without federation?

This looks very promising! Thanks for the lead.
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