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A Eulogy for Vim

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Re: A Eulogy for Vim

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Post by MisterTea »

dpatterbee wrote: post #37
embedding-shape wrote: post #22

> I think it’s more important that we stop collectively pretending that we don’t understand how awful all of this is Lord forbid if people disagree with you. I know Drew's vibe is always "I'm right because I'm the only one with the correct opinions", but it does get tiring after a while. Not to say AI isn't having huge drawbacks being introduced, and aren't exactly worry-free, but why not change your frame of mind fr…

I think the point is that regardless of what benefits LLMs are bringing to the table, there are a list of downsides that Drew views as non-negotiables. It doesn't matter what other people are seeing, because he sees a fundamental issue underlying the entire premise. It does seem like most people completely ignore the obvious harms caused by AI when talking about using LLMs for programming, as though somehow it is dis…

> It does seem like most people completely ignore the obvious harms caused by AI when talking about using LLMs for programming, as though somehow it is disconnected from the other deployments of the technology.

I feel that the people who are completely ignoring the harms are the ones who need and/or benefit from it and do whatever it takes to justify their use of it. The rest are people who understand the harms and minimize interaction followed by the blissfully ignorant.

I was just talking to a content creator who uses AI at work social media platforms to display her personal projects. She talked about how she is fully aware of the harm social media platforms bring while acknowledging they empower her to present her work to the world without gatekeeping. AI allows her to power through boring office tasks but she loathes their use in the art world and replacing people in general.

Re: A Eulogy for Vim

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Post by margalabargala »

elif wrote: post #94
tzs wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is that assigning the blame to Epstein's victims? The scenario being described was that Epstein was ordering some of his victims, who were ostensibly employed as masseuses at his resort, to go and offer sex to specific people who were at an event taking place there. You don't keep a sex trafficking operation going as long as he did if you don't coerce victims in that situation to play along with the story that th…

"the most plausible scenario is that she presented herself to him as entirely willing" if you dont understand what that is saying, i can't help you.

I fear you are the one who does not understand what that is saying.

"The trafficked person did not reveal they were being trafficked, because they were trapped on an island with their abuser and were afraid".

This is not blaming the victim, nor a defense of the abuser.

Re: A Eulogy for Vim

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Post by skeledrew »

MSFT_Edging wrote: post #69
embedding-shape wrote: post #22

> I think it’s more important that we stop collectively pretending that we don’t understand how awful all of this is Lord forbid if people disagree with you. I know Drew's vibe is always "I'm right because I'm the only one with the correct opinions", but it does get tiring after a while. Not to say AI isn't having huge drawbacks being introduced, and aren't exactly worry-free, but why not change your frame of mind fr…

> "People are seeing something I'm not, what am I missing?" I've seen people celebrate horrors beyond my comprehension. Cheer the deaths of innocent people because it may inch some abstract national goal closer to a similarly abstract measurement. Insist that lives in one place are worth less than lives in another. Should I ask "what am I missing"? I don't think so, sometimes you draw a line on moral or ethical groun…

> rip the livelyhood from under millions of people's feet

I have never gotten this. How is livelihood being "ripped away"? There is enormous capability made available to anyone and everyone who wants to take hold of and do something with it. Just as it's on each individual to go through the process and pains of landing a job (or building a business, etc), it's also on each individual to keep up with changes that may affect their livelihood. If they want to keep it.

Re: A Eulogy for Vim

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Post by mikkupikku »

rkapsoro wrote: post #11
School-Cotton wrote: post #6

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Computer programming has been accessible to the masses for years. All you need is motivation to learn. The only people vibe coding has made programming accessible to is people who don't have such motivation.

I'm sure certain people accustomed to hand assembly were saying this when compilers emerged on the scene.

They absolutely were. The parallels are stark.

Re: A Eulogy for Vim

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Post by lelanthran »

embedding-shape wrote: post #22

> I think it’s more important that we stop collectively pretending that we don’t understand how awful all of this is Lord forbid if people disagree with you. I know Drew's vibe is always "I'm right because I'm the only one with the correct opinions", but it does get tiring after a while. Not to say AI isn't having huge drawbacks being introduced, and aren't exactly worry-free, but why not change your frame of mind fr…

> why not change your frame of mind from "Why don't others understand how awful it is?!" to "People are seeing something I'm not, what am I missing?"

Ironically, you are not considering that he is seeing something that you are not, but you are not asking "What am I missing?"

See, that sword cuts both ways.

Re: A Eulogy for Vim

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Post by lelanthran »

embedding-shape wrote: post #45
dpatterbee wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the point is that regardless of what benefits LLMs are bringing to the table, there are a list of downsides that Drew views as non-negotiables. It doesn't matter what other people are seeing, because he sees a fundamental issue underlying the entire premise. It does seem like most people completely ignore the obvious harms caused by AI when talking about using LLMs for programming, as though somehow it is dis…

> there are a list of downsides that Drew views as non-negotiables Which is all fine and dandy. But why play the "You simply don't understand it as well as I do" rather than something more investigative and curious? Just fuels the whole "holier than thou" vibe Drew been trying to increase seemingly every day. It's a disagreement of opinion, not some "I'm the only smart person who can realize this", which is why it ki…

> But why play the "You simply don't understand it as well as I do" rather than something more investigative and curious?

That's not the tone of the article; he uses the word "pretending". That tells me that he thinks that people do understand, but they don't want to admit that they understand because that would reveal their values.

Re: A Eulogy for Vim

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Post by lelanthran »

elif wrote: post #94
tzs wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is that assigning the blame to Epstein's victims? The scenario being described was that Epstein was ordering some of his victims, who were ostensibly employed as masseuses at his resort, to go and offer sex to specific people who were at an event taking place there. You don't keep a sex trafficking operation going as long as he did if you don't coerce victims in that situation to play along with the story that th…

"the most plausible scenario is that she presented herself to him as entirely willing" if you dont understand what that is saying, i can't help you.

> "the most plausible scenario is that she presented herself to him as entirely willing"

You can't see the difference between "she presented herself to him as entirely willing" and "she was entirely willing"?

Stallman may be a dick, but at least he's precise with his speech - this means exactly what it says, and in no way means what you want it to mean.

Re: A Eulogy for Vim

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Post by linkregister »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #67
linkregister wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For an environmentmaxxer, eliminating upper-middle class jobs is extremely effective, as this group consumes the lion's share of resources and bears the greatest impact on carbon emissions. Remember that the majority of industry is upstream of consumption. Not endorsing this world view, just noting that the wealthiest 1% of people in the world (encompasses most US citizens) have an enormously outsized impact on clima…

The "upper middle class" is not strictly defined, but they are pretty clearly the folks below the wealthiest 1%. You can't be in the middle without something on either side. They certain consume far more than the poor, on account of having resources, but they also consume far less than the wealthiest 1%.

You are almost certainly in the global 1% of the wealthy [1]. Compared to developing nations' residents, we have an order of magnitude greater impact on the environment.

1. https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-17512040

Re: A Eulogy for Vim

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Post by elif »

margalabargala wrote: post #102
elif wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"the most plausible scenario is that she presented herself to him as entirely willing" if you dont understand what that is saying, i can't help you.

I fear you are the one who does not understand what that is saying. "The trafficked person did not reveal they were being trafficked, because they were trapped on an island with their abuser and were afraid". This is not blaming the victim, nor a defense of the abuser.

In statutory child rape, it does not matter in any way or any context what the behavior of the victim was.

Re: A Eulogy for Vim

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Post by elif »

mikkupikku wrote: post #99
elif wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"the most plausible scenario is that she presented herself to him as entirely willing" if you dont understand what that is saying, i can't help you.

He's saying that Marvin Minsk might not have known that he was on pedo entrapment island and may have assumed a teenage girl was of age. Telling the entrapment targets the deal up front wouldn't be very smart. This is not blaming the girls, it was Epstein's setup.

"I thought she was not a child" is never a defense for raping a child.
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