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Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

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Re: Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

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Post by amilios »

f-serif wrote: post #98

Wow, this is pure gold. I skipped first time thinking it was just random page viewers from past. This is impressive design, presentation and experience. Thank you for the experience.

Yeah I'm really not sure why everyone is shitting on it so hard, I mean it is a cool interactive experience. I understand that present-day Opera has some serious problems, sold to a Chinese company, people feel like it's a separate thing from old Opera, that it's lost its soul, all very fair. But we should be able to evaluate this experience as a separate thing, and it's pretty slick!

Re: Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

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Post by anal_reactor »

ramon156 wrote: post #27
netsharc wrote: post #5

Feels as soulless as the Opera that's been bought by a Chinese company to sell predatory lending: https://qz.com/africa/1788351/operas-okash-opesas-predatory-...

It hurts me that their marketing worked. Gamers are Choosing Opera GX because its "non bs". There's a ton of fingerprinting data being sent to chinese servers. No one is immune to propaganda

I use Opera Mobile on my phone because it's literally the only mobile browser which UX isn't completely botched.

In Firefox you cannot choose the folder to save files to, which is something I absolutely need because I mostly download porn but once in a while I have non-porn and these two must be in different folders.

Chrome doesn't support text reflow on zoom. I don't even have a comment because this makes it literally impossible to use desktop view which usually provides better experience.

I'm not even a power user. These features are IMO extremely basic things. Opera's built-in VPN is nice for browsing Twitter but that's an extra I could live without.

Re: Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

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Post by metabagel »

anal_reactor wrote: post #102
ramon156 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It hurts me that their marketing worked. Gamers are Choosing Opera GX because its "non bs". There's a ton of fingerprinting data being sent to chinese servers. No one is immune to propaganda

I use Opera Mobile on my phone because it's literally the only mobile browser which UX isn't completely botched. In Firefox you cannot choose the folder to save files to, which is something I absolutely need because I mostly download porn but once in a while I have non-porn and these two must be in different folders. Chrome doesn't support text reflow on zoom. I don't even have a comment because this makes it literal…

> In Firefox you cannot choose the folder to save files to, which is something I absolutely need because I mostly download porn but once in a while I have non-porn and these two must be in different folders.

First world problems.

Re: Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

#104

Post by tsumnia »

al_borland wrote: post #31

I have fond memories of Opera. When I migrated off of it to Phoenix, I had a really hard time adjusting to not having mouse gestures. I didn’t know how anyone lived without them. By the time extensions came around to mimic Opera’s mouse gestures on other browsers, I could never get used to actually using them again. I was sad to see Opera become just another incarnation of Chrome.

I don't have much to contribute other than HI AL from the MORNING CREW!

Re: Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

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Post by tosti »

LtWorf wrote: post #97
soperj wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The feeling is that "no one" cares about it being sent to American servers, why should they suddenly care about it going to Chinese servers just because they're Chinese.

Not only that, USA is far more likely to send someone to kill you than china is. So between the 2 I'll take china (I'd prefer my data to not be sent to any foreign power).

Well perhaps today is a good day to die.

Re: Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

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Post by lmm »

throw10920 wrote: post #53
alex_smart wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You overestimate how much the rest of the world cares about data being sent to “chinese servers”, when all this while our data was being sent to “American servers” anyways.

Whataboutism (doesn't matter if another entity does it - if it's wrong, then pointing out another entity doing it is fallacious), redirection, and false dichotomy (you can care about the US and China doing it - for all you know the parent poster was in the EU and does care about both). Nobody mentioned the US upstream of your comment until you did. This is obvious propaganda - one of the classic maneuvers in the PRC…

> Nobody mentioned the US upstream of your comment until you did.

No, because programs sending telemetry to the US is so routine that and pervasive that we don't even remark on it.

> This is obvious propaganda

Now who's committing a whole catalogue of fallacies?

Re: Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

#108

Post by tosti »

tombert wrote: post #99
TheAmazingRace wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wholeheartedly agree. Presto was very lightweight and, to my knowledge, exceptionally standards compliant as well. I think the last version of the Presto engine did have a source code leak, but naturally it's not a great idea to work on it unless you want to catch a lawsuit.

Yeah, if the Opera corporation gave a blessing to use the leaked code then that would be great; I'm not going to look at it until I know for sure I'm not going to be sued. It's too bad, I hate that we basically only have two browsing engines that people take seriously: Blink/Chromium and Safari for iOS. Firefox is there but it lags pretty far behind those two. Having a little more competition in this space could be g…

There's LadyBird, https://ladybird.org/

Re: Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

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Post by joezydeco »

NoSalt wrote: post #105

I am completely astounded that Opera even caught on, as they were one of the very few companies that charged for their browser.

Probably because their model let you customize it for the application.

If you have a Mazda from the mid 2010s, the infotainment system runs in JavaScript on an Opera browser customized for the car system.

Re: Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

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Post by tombert »

tosti wrote: post #108
tombert wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, if the Opera corporation gave a blessing to use the leaked code then that would be great; I'm not going to look at it until I know for sure I'm not going to be sued. It's too bad, I hate that we basically only have two browsing engines that people take seriously: Blink/Chromium and Safari for iOS. Firefox is there but it lags pretty far behind those two. Having a little more competition in this space could be g…

There's LadyBird, https://ladybird.org/

I'm aware, but that's not usable yet in any real sense. I'm glad we're getting another engine and it would be cool if it becomes competitive with the other. I'm just saying that Presto was already competitive with the others before they changed to Chromium, and I wish that they had open sourced it if they weren't going to use it anyway.
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