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Re: Chest Fridge (2009)

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Post by lelandbatey »

andai wrote: post #95
pierrec wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now that is the coolest fridge I've ever seen. Found a video of it in action (yes, featuring the same dad joke all over the comments but that is not stopping me): https://youtu.be/RoGuvvzHY1A?t=416 That entire place is mind-bending.

That's a very cool fridge. But how much difference does that make in practice? Air doesn't have much mass, right? How much energy does it actually cost to cool the air in a fridge? (vs the solid parts of the fridge, and the food) Looks like the OP's fridge uses 10-20x less power than a typical fridge, is that entirely due to the air not spilling out?

Mostly yes. Upright fridge and freezer designs trade off efficiency for convenience (rooting around in a chest fridge/freezer can be annoying). https://youtu.be/CGAhWgkKlHI

Re: Chest Fridge (2009)

#102

Post by quesera »

lostlogin wrote: post #98
andai wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if an egg has poop on it, it's less likely to have salmonella?

There is a coating on the outside of the egg which prevents that. Washing the egg removes the poo and the coating. No source provided and this may just be some myth.

It's true. The bloom on the eggs protects them from whatever nastiness is on the outside.

This includes salmonella, which may be present if your flock is infected in the poop on the outside of the shell (remember hens only have one egress port), plus any other sources of environmental pathogens, of which there are many.

When the bloom is washed off the egg, pathogens have an easier time penetrating the shell and consuming the nutritious yummy bits inside. At room temperature, they can multiply rapidly. Refrigeration slows the rate of growth.

An unwashed egg retains the barrier, and stays fresh longer without refrigeration.

YMMV on household acceptance of dirty eggs on countertops, but they are cleaner than many other items within arms' reach that we are conditioned to not think about. :)

Re: Chest Fridge (2009)

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Post by bashtoni »

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #84
decimalenough wrote: post #56

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Mind-bending indeed, but looks pretty impractical. In an ordinary fridge, if your egg carton is a bit out of place, your door may not close properly. In this one, you're going to have liquid omelette slathered all over the place, and how do you even clean the bottom of that thing?

Who, apart from Americans, puts eggs into the fridge?

Many British people and Australians, even though our eggs are sold at room temperature and unwashed. I don't know why, but for most of us it 'feels wrong' to store eggs anywhere else.

Re: Chest Fridge (2009)

#104

Post by cogwheel »

andai wrote: post #95
pierrec wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now that is the coolest fridge I've ever seen. Found a video of it in action (yes, featuring the same dad joke all over the comments but that is not stopping me): https://youtu.be/RoGuvvzHY1A?t=416 That entire place is mind-bending.

That's a very cool fridge. But how much difference does that make in practice? Air doesn't have much mass, right? How much energy does it actually cost to cool the air in a fridge? (vs the solid parts of the fridge, and the food) Looks like the OP's fridge uses 10-20x less power than a typical fridge, is that entirely due to the air not spilling out?

Depends a lot on humidity. Condensing a fridge full of humid air releases a fair bit of heat.

Also a fuller fridge will have much more thermal mass and care less.

But yes, exchanging the entire air volume of a fridge every time you open it is very energy-wasteful.

Re: Chest Fridge (2009)

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Post by SR2Z »

frogulis wrote: post #44
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #41

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Yeah, I understand your first sentence, but the last part of their comment was "Plus, a horizontal fridge is just… convenient. You can’t even put things on top of a vertical fridge." Don't they mean a horizontal fridge is a chest fridge? Which would make it sound like they want their whole comment to be in support of a chest fridge? Which is why none of it makes any sense to me.

That's what makes me think they've simply mixed up horizontal and vertical, because you can't (conveniently) store things on top of a chest fridge, but you can store things on top of a vertical fridge. Basically I think they've got a coherent point if you swap vertical and horizontal throughout their whole comment.

Vertical = a fridge that opens around a vertical axis and ditto for horizontal.

Re: Chest Fridge (2009)

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

quesera wrote: post #102
lostlogin wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a coating on the outside of the egg which prevents that. Washing the egg removes the poo and the coating. No source provided and this may just be some myth.

It's true. The bloom on the eggs protects them from whatever nastiness is on the outside. This includes salmonella, which may be present if your flock is infected in the poop on the outside of the shell (remember hens only have one egress port), plus any other sources of environmental pathogens, of which there are many. When the bloom is washed off the egg, pathogens have an easier time penetrating the shell and cons…

I happily keep eggs in the box on my kitchen worktop for maybe a couple of weeks without them going bad. They'll happily last longer, but the eggs won't be at their best.

Incidentally, I heard somewhere that using a ridge to crack eggs on (like the edge of a frying pan) isn't best as that can possibly drive a bit of poopy shell into the interior though if it's just about to be cooked and eaten then that's less problematic. I use the flat kitchen top to crack the shell instead which leads to the occasional amusing outcome of cracking it too hard and dumping the whole egg onto the worktop.

Re: Chest Fridge (2009)

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Post by quesera »

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #106
quesera wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's true. The bloom on the eggs protects them from whatever nastiness is on the outside. This includes salmonella, which may be present if your flock is infected in the poop on the outside of the shell (remember hens only have one egress port), plus any other sources of environmental pathogens, of which there are many. When the bloom is washed off the egg, pathogens have an easier time penetrating the shell and cons…

I happily keep eggs in the box on my kitchen worktop for maybe a couple of weeks without them going bad. They'll happily last longer, but the eggs won't be at their best. Incidentally, I heard somewhere that using a ridge to crack eggs on (like the edge of a frying pan) isn't best as that can possibly drive a bit of poopy shell into the interior though if it's just about to be cooked and eaten then that's less proble…

When we've had "too many" hens, we've had multiple large salad bowls full of eggs on the countertops. And that's after overwhelming our friends and neighbors.

They will easily last 4-6 weeks with no major degradation (i.e. still good for omelets, but use the freshest ones for poaching).

The forest predators eventually help moderate our egg surplus. Free range comes with risks, alas.

Interesting point about ridge-cracking. I'd never thought about it, but it makes sense and I will mend my ways! :)

Re: Chest Fridge (2009)

#108

Post by bdbdbdb »

eternauta3k wrote: post #79
bdbdbdb wrote: post #69

I read this back in 2009, happy to see it's still on the internet. Obviously with today's electricity prices it would use more than $5 per year but even doubled it is extremely cheap. My issue with the concept is space and convenience. My upright fridge is about this size but it would take up too much space in my kitchen on its side. Worse again that you can't keep anything on top because that's where the door is. Bu…

You could just have a vertical fridge with "tub" drawers which individually contain the cold air.

And most fridges do, I have a veg "crisper" and a meat drawer, and two boxes for cheese and other things.

I've read that if you can just minimise the amount of airflow in your fridge, even just by filling it with bottled water, it's more efficient as there's less air to fall out when you open the door. Boxes are essentially this

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