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How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by pepperoni_pizza »

ekr wrote: post #54

Although the thought of getting an electric car has passed through my mind on a few occasions, I'm not 100% familiar with the intricate technical details. (for some reason, the tax incentives where I live are still in favor of continuing with the small petrol car I have. Taxes are primarily a function of weight in the Netherlands, and anything besides a lightweight Dacia Spring would imply significantly higher monthl…

Research on the current EVs shows that they degrade by on average 2.3 % of original capacity a year, but there is a strong dependency on how much the vehicle is used and how often it is DC fast charged, i.e. there is time based degradation and usage based degradation.

Low use vehicles have degradation of 1.5 % a year, heavily used vehicles mostly slow charged had degradation of 2.2 % a year and heavily used vehicles mostly fast charged had highest degradation of 3 % a year.

Now before you think that means the capacity will halve in X years (33, 23 and 17), the article also notes that the degradation is not linear and it was faster in new vehicles and then slowed down - with no way to know if it will slow down further or continue in this manner, etc, until we have a sufficient sample of 20 years old modern EVs.

Link to article https://www.geotab.com/blog/ev-battery-health/

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

collingreen wrote: post #97
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is that “choice”? Surely you aren’t like those yokels in the south that think a “militia” running in the woods can take on the the US military or even a decent SWAT force

Being willing to fight for what you think is right even though there is no hope of winning is a choice you can make without being a tacticool yokel that doesn't understand the tech gap between the people and their masters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege

How much good did either do?

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by IX-103 »

functionmouse wrote: post #22

How foolish it must feel to buy a new car without this tech in a world that has this tech, only to fund the people spending our tax money to keep it from us and continue pushing fossil fuels.

Agreed. I've been on the market for a new car to replace my aging Prius for for the past three years. All of my top choices are "not sold in the US".

I don't need a giant fricken SUV to go to work. I don't need 400 miles of range (the other car does that when it's needed). But I do need room to fit the kids and their stuff in the car. There's literally nothing sold in the USA that's suitable for this use case.

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by russli1993 »

glimshe wrote: post #83

Cool! My only concern is that Wired has a very long and consistent history of advertising technologies that don't work quite as they say. So let's hope this is real.

BYD is shipping both charging stations and cars with blade battery 2.0 first half of 2026. Both economic and premium models can charge from 0 - 97% under 12 minutes. They are also building these charging stations right now and few hundreds are already operational.

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by durjrjdjdk »

RevEng wrote: post #96

I wonder if Gil Tal has ever used an EV as their daily vehicle. I have had two EVs in the last three years - a Kona and an IONIQ 5. I have greatly enjoyed them both. But one thing was a downside that I just had to accept: poor charging. Granted, I live in the Canadian Prairies full of small towns a fair distance apart. And it's not exactly progressive - I'm actually being taxed for owning an EV. The charging infrastr…

Put diesel generator on trailer, and charge while driving. Best of both worlds!

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by russli1993 »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #61
christkv wrote: post #30

Absolute garbage. Just stop and think for one second what kind of power delivery is required to do this and you will quickly realize that’s it’s not feasible anywhere other than as a demo.

I'll bite. They dumped a lot of power in a small amount of time. Sounds like the perfect job for a mega capacitor to streamline deployments. Other than the successful technology, Mrs. Lincoln, what are your gripes?

They simply use a few grid storage batteries. Chargers don't charge at 1.5MW 100% of time. You also have people driving in and out of the station. The math works out really well.

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by ranit »

RevEng wrote: post #96

I wonder if Gil Tal has ever used an EV as their daily vehicle. I have had two EVs in the last three years - a Kona and an IONIQ 5. I have greatly enjoyed them both. But one thing was a downside that I just had to accept: poor charging. Granted, I live in the Canadian Prairies full of small towns a fair distance apart. And it's not exactly progressive - I'm actually being taxed for owning an EV. The charging infrastr…

Could you please elaborate on:

> I'm actually being taxed for owning an EV.

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by russli1993 »

christkv wrote: post #88
1970-01-01 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll bite. They dumped a lot of power in a small amount of time. Sounds like the perfect job for a mega capacitor to streamline deployments. Other than the successful technology, Mrs. Lincoln, what are your gripes?

Cool now at your busy "gas" station keep it working as the pile gets exhausted and you don't have the supporting grid to be able to deliver the needed power to keep it stocked with "gas". At least not in Europe. From what I read it's 1500 kW at 1000V or Peak use of 1.5 MW at 1000 A. That's a crazy amount of power. You will exhaust your piles quickly, or they are enormous. So it's like "quick-charge" until we run out?

Chargers don't charge at 1.5MW 100% of time. You have grid storage batteries serving as buffer. It can be charged at steady rate by the grid all the time. People need time to drive in and out of the station. The math works out really well.

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by GenerWork »

jmyeet wrote: post #87
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Xi is the first President/leader China has had who literally never worked another job outside of politics and doesn’t speak a foreign language. They gave him a degree in chemical engineering when the universities re-opened after the cultural revolution but he never even had to pretend to use it. Hu, Jiang, and Deng actually worked as engineers and spoke languages besides Chinese (Russian and/or English). Despite all…

Xi is a fascinating figure. I had real concerns when he pushed through repealing term limits. I thought this could be another Putin but that hasn't been the case. First, he's had a real anti-corruption push that seems to be meaningful and seems to apply to senior government officials and the wealthy (eg Jack Ma). Second, real estate speculation was rampant in China for years but Xi quietly popped the bubble more than…

>First, he's had a real anti-corruption push that seems to be meaningful and seems to apply to senior government officials and the wealthy (eg Jack Ma).

Anti-corruption pushes in the government are 100% purges, just under a different name. As for Jack Ma, wasn't he targeted because he said something that the censors really didn't like all while pushing some finance app? My memory is hazy as to why it happened, but it certainly wasn't because he was wealthy.

Re: How BYD got EV chargers to work almost as fast as gas pumps

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Post by enraged_camel »

jmyeet wrote: post #87
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Xi is the first President/leader China has had who literally never worked another job outside of politics and doesn’t speak a foreign language. They gave him a degree in chemical engineering when the universities re-opened after the cultural revolution but he never even had to pretend to use it. Hu, Jiang, and Deng actually worked as engineers and spoke languages besides Chinese (Russian and/or English). Despite all…

Xi is a fascinating figure. I had real concerns when he pushed through repealing term limits. I thought this could be another Putin but that hasn't been the case. First, he's had a real anti-corruption push that seems to be meaningful and seems to apply to senior government officials and the wealthy (eg Jack Ma). Second, real estate speculation was rampant in China for years but Xi quietly popped the bubble more than…

Jack Ma’s situation wasn’t corruption though. He simply made the mistake of publicly criticizing the government’s economic policy. He was disappeared shortly after. Then he reappeared a few months later and he has been on his best behavior since.
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