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Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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Re: Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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Do graphing calculators actually help people learn? We used them in high school, but when i needed to take calculus in university we didn't use them. I'm doubtful they are good for learning especially when trying to teach the foundations.

Complete waste for anything math related for me. Did act as a proper gateway into coding though!

Same for me. Felt like a superpower.

Re: Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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'Engaged Students, Joyful Teachers' ... but sad Zuck ! As soon as this becomes popular and Zuck's engagement numbers tank, prepare for a propaganda campaign of nuclear proportions - maybe they even pull the OG Sheryl Sandberg back to steer the PR ship. And with the current crop of cronies in office, don’t be surprised if a new ID bill will be introduced that requires "social connectivity" as requirement for ID verifi…

more like gaolposts amirite

Re: Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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We're talking about kids, not adults. You ban cell phones for the same we weren't allowed to play our Gameboy during class when I was a kid. They lack the self control and decision making capabilities to forgo something fun for the sake of something important. Not to mention we have plenty of studies that show even a silent phone sitting quietly in your pocket or on your desk can be an attention drain, as you're subc…

I don't disagree that people lack self control. My only disagreement is that bans on cellphone-like tech will be at all enforceable in the near future.

They're kids... Even in some dystopian ass scifi future we all have implants in our eyes or some shit, we aren't doing that to kids...

Re: Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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I think this more about it coming from a higher authority than the school itself.

Many schools have similar bans but they don’t get support from many of the pupils or their parents as both groups have members that just believe it is the school choosing to overstep their authority.

Now it is a diktat from above it makes the school’s job in enforcing it much easier. They can just point to the relevant legislation/diktat and say that their hands are tied, if you disagree here are the places you can go to voice your opinion. Meanwhile we (as a school) have no choice but to apply the rules, etc.

Re: Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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UK here. My kid's school is insane. They think they are so progressive because they banned personal phones entirely, which is fair enough. But they forced us to buy marked up Yondr pouches, which is not fair. However this isn't the only problem. They also force us to pay monthly for iPads with wonky ass Logitech cases to be issued on which they do everything on Google classroom. Google Classroom is an abhorrently bad…

Do you have an elected schoolboard? In my state, if something was that bad, there would be no end to the meetings and public complaints.

There is an academy board. Unfortunately it's filled up with the sort of people who should never be allowed on a board of any sort.

Re: Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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From my teacher spouse's perspective, a lot of it seems to be the monetary value of smartphones. Some kids are coming to school with the latest and greatest $1000+ smartphone, so if the teacher drops it, scuffs it, misplaces it, etc, the parents are coming after the teacher about an item with real value. Teachers don't want any part of that battle so confiscation is now off the table.

But this new law also involves confiscation. I don't think that explains anything.

Previously, the confiscation was the teacher's policy.

"I dunno Mom, at the start of 4th hour I put my iPhone in the basket Mrs. Wormwood makes everyone drop their phones in, and when I got it back after class the screen had this big crack in it. It wasn't because I dropped it in 3rd hour in Mr. Lockjaw's PE class while walking and checking Instagram, nuh uh. Can you get me the iPhone 17 Pro Max instead of the iPhone 17e this time?"

And then at conferences (or worse, at the PTA meeting or school board meeting) Mrs. Wormwood is going to hear from Mom how she broke Johnny's phone and cost them $1100.

Now it's state law. It's not Mrs. Wormwood's decision to confiscate phones from students, preventing little Johnny from texting Mama when there's a lockdown, it's the law and her hands are tied.

Re: Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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UK here. My kid's school is insane. They think they are so progressive because they banned personal phones entirely, which is fair enough. But they forced us to buy marked up Yondr pouches, which is not fair. However this isn't the only problem. They also force us to pay monthly for iPads with wonky ass Logitech cases to be issued on which they do everything on Google classroom. Google Classroom is an abhorrently bad…

My children's secondary school (England) also banned use of phones, but the rule was that the phone had to be switched off and kept in the school bag, which was all very sensible. State schools cannot charge for essential equipment needed for the curriculum. Some schools are taking the p. If all parents told them to do one they would have no leg to stand on, and it is rather scandalous that nothing is done to stop th…

They just step around that with a policy that you aren't allowed to bring phones into the school if you don't have one. Yes they are arseholes.

Re: Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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But this new law also involves confiscation. I don't think that explains anything.

Previously, the confiscation was the teacher's policy. "I dunno Mom, at the start of 4th hour I put my iPhone in the basket Mrs. Wormwood makes everyone drop their phones in, and when I got it back after class the screen had this big crack in it. It wasn't because I dropped it in 3rd hour in Mr. Lockjaw's PE class while walking and checking Instagram, nuh uh. Can you get me the iPhone 17 Pro Max instead of the iPhone…

Previously where, though? In this specific Oregon school district?

It's not up to the teachers' discretion in the schools near me.

Re: Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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I would love it if my laptop had a "study mode" for when I am trying to debug something or learn something new using my laptop. Some of us have less than stellar self-control, so a study mode which requires a multi-step rigamarole to shut off might prevent me from casually checking my email or a news website when I am supposed to be learning a new data structure or figuring out a data corruption bug. I have no idea h…

Here is how it would work in real life: The laptop would come with a study mode button. You would push it and turn off distractions. Then 5 minutes later you would disable it just to send a chat. Then since it was off, you'd just quickly check TikTok. Then while you're at it, it just a quick break, you'd pop over to Twitch. 3 hours later... If you can't teach yourself restraint, a button won't help.

Slowing down the dopamine feedback loop works. Many impulses that lead to distraction are automatic, not conscious. Ever closed a Hacker News tab just for your fingers to immediately re-type the URL into the bar and hit enter? There are browser extensions that delay loading pages on a given site for a number of seconds, to cut off that sort of automatic behavior, and they work as long as the delay to load the site is less than the time and effort it takes to open up your addons manager and disable the addon.

Re: Oregon school cell phone ban: 'Engaged students, joyful teachers'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're talking about kids, not adults. You ban cell phones for the same we weren't allowed to play our Gameboy during class when I was a kid. They lack the self control and decision making capabilities to forgo something fun for the sake of something important. Not to mention we have plenty of studies that show even a silent phone sitting quietly in your pocket or on your desk can be an attention drain, as you're subc…

> We're talking about kids, not adults. Frankly, I believe the world would be a better place if we did a lot more banning of smartphones for adults, too. They are like crack.

I quit all social media (unless you count hackernews I guess), killed all notifications except calls and text messages, and regularly leave my phone in another room while I'm working or doing anything that requires prolonged attention. Helped a lot.
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