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The Reason Windows Hate Is Exploding: It's the End of Personal Computing [video]

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Re: The Reason Windows Hate Is Exploding: It's the End of Personal Computing [video]

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Post by josefritzishere »

rbanffy wrote: post #96
orev wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Corpos definitely run Windows. There are many highly technical people and advanced software that need Windows. Not every company employee is just a pencil pusher or bean counter. This myopia in tech is so baffling to me. Windows has been around over 40 years and tech people still act like it will go away “any day now” just because they don’t like it.

Corporations will continue using Windows the same way they'll continue using mainframes (at least mainframes are interesting machines). If Dell, HP and Lenovo decide tomorrow to ship all laptops with Fedora by default, very few people will install Windows. Or notice it's a different OS. They'll just think that Windows 12 no longer has ads. Corporations will continue to corporate. Active Directory is a powerful thing.…

I have been waiting for this day since the move to SFF and thin clients. They've been threatening to do all compute in the cloud... at which point the OS, local or otherwise becomes irrelevant.

Re: The Reason Windows Hate Is Exploding: It's the End of Personal Computing [video]

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Post by josefritzishere »

jmclnx wrote: post #7
surgical_fire wrote: post #5

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You can lie when it requests for personal information. I always identify myself as "Conan, The Barbarian" when creating account.

of cource you can, but in the future ? Maybe you will be required to upload an ID.

Is it too optimistic to hope that sanity will prevail and users will get treated with respect?

Re: The Reason Windows Hate Is Exploding: It's the End of Personal Computing [video]

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Post by swed420 »

dpark wrote: post #99
swed420 wrote: post #89

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Possibly, but it makes more sense when viewed through the lens of "Google is an advertising company" rather than a search company. Also, it's not like Google went on autopilot and pursued nothing in recent years. Clearly they've dedicated resources to AI, so it's not hard to believe they foresaw potential resistance to selling the concept of AI to users and took measures to funnel them into the behavior Google desire…

> it's not hard to believe they foresaw potential resistance to selling the concept of AI to users and took measures to funnel them into the behavior Google desired I find that very hard to believe because it implies a level of foresight that we have not observed from Google. The notion that they degraded their own search on purpose for years to funnel people to AI seems very implausible, especially since they don’t…

> especially since they don’t have a good model yet for replacing that ad revenue within AI

This would be a calculated financial bet on their part. This kind of risk taking is not limited to SV startups.

I realize companies under late stage capitalism aren't typically known for having foresight past one quarter, but that doesn't mean some of them can't have somebody optimizing for the long-term in a financial sense.

It's seems premature to rule this possibility out entirely.

Re: The Reason Windows Hate Is Exploding: It's the End of Personal Computing [video]

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Post by expedition32 »

swed420 wrote: post #75
mancerayder wrote: post #13

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The video takes this one step further, and it has nothing to do with being 'out of touch' or something. The speaker is arguing there is a macro trend of pushing us towards agentic interactions instead of the UI components we're used to. Then it can track, tune and control everything we do, thanks to all the telemetry back and forth. I wish people would engage with the content a bit. It's a huge claim (and scary).

> The speaker is arguing there is a macro trend of pushing us towards agentic interactions instead of the UI components we're used to. This trend is not even limited to Windows. We saw it begin years ago with Google etc gradually reducing the quality of search results. Then ChatGPT etc arrive shortly thereafter, and people are led to conclude "it works so much better than traditional search." Hard to believe these tw…

Seeing people use chatGPT to write words they themselves don't even understand is terrifying.

Re: The Reason Windows Hate Is Exploding: It's the End of Personal Computing [video]

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Post by dpark »

swed420 wrote: post #103
dpark wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's not hard to believe they foresaw potential resistance to selling the concept of AI to users and took measures to funnel them into the behavior Google desired I find that very hard to believe because it implies a level of foresight that we have not observed from Google. The notion that they degraded their own search on purpose for years to funnel people to AI seems very implausible, especially since they don’t…

> especially since they don’t have a good model yet for replacing that ad revenue within AI This would be a calculated financial bet on their part. This kind of risk taking is not limited to SV startups. I realize companies under late stage capitalism aren't typically known for having foresight past one quarter, but that doesn't mean some of them can't have somebody optimizing for the long-term in a financial sense.…

Occam‘s razor says prefer the simpler explanation.

It is possible that Google as an organization had enough foresight to see that search would eventually be eaten by AI chat bots and so intentionally degraded the experience of search to encourage movement in that direction. And also that Google was too dumb to actually ship their chat bot first and capitalized on their choice to sabotage search.

It seems a lot more likely that the the decline in the quality of search is due to a combination of hyper-optimization for revenue and difficulty combating large scale spam farms.

Re: The Reason Windows Hate Is Exploding: It's the End of Personal Computing [video]

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Post by surgical_fire »

gostsamo wrote: post #76
surgical_fire wrote: post #69

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Are you claiming Linux is becoming always online? That's one hell of a claim.

if it is governmently mandated that it is, it might become, at least the user facing distros.

The nature of Linux makes this pretty much impossible.

Say Ubuntu ships with some package for identity validation bullshit. What stops anyone from repackaging it and offering it without those packages?

Re: The Reason Windows Hate Is Exploding: It's the End of Personal Computing [video]

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Post by swed420 »

dpark wrote: post #106
swed420 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> especially since they don’t have a good model yet for replacing that ad revenue within AI This would be a calculated financial bet on their part. This kind of risk taking is not limited to SV startups. I realize companies under late stage capitalism aren't typically known for having foresight past one quarter, but that doesn't mean some of them can't have somebody optimizing for the long-term in a financial sense.…

Occam‘s razor says prefer the simpler explanation. It is possible that Google as an organization had enough foresight to see that search would eventually be eaten by AI chat bots and so intentionally degraded the experience of search to encourage movement in that direction. And also that Google was too dumb to actually ship their chat bot first and capitalized on their choice to sabotage search. It seems a lot more l…

These things are not mutually exclusive.

Re: The Reason Windows Hate Is Exploding: It's the End of Personal Computing [video]

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Post by iamnothere »

rbanffy wrote: post #94
iamnothere wrote: post #92

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Here you go https://mrchromebox.tech/

This was it. It involved dismantling the machine, removing a screw, and some other maneuvers.

Depends on the Chromebook. Some use a screw as a write protect jumper, some do not.

Re: The Reason Windows Hate Is Exploding: It's the End of Personal Computing [video]

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Post by rbanffy »

josefritzishere wrote: post #101
rbanffy wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Corporations will continue using Windows the same way they'll continue using mainframes (at least mainframes are interesting machines). If Dell, HP and Lenovo decide tomorrow to ship all laptops with Fedora by default, very few people will install Windows. Or notice it's a different OS. They'll just think that Windows 12 no longer has ads. Corporations will continue to corporate. Active Directory is a powerful thing.…

I have been waiting for this day since the move to SFF and thin clients. They've been threatening to do all compute in the cloud... at which point the OS, local or otherwise becomes irrelevant.

In fact, the thin client that drives my desk at [company] runs Linux with the Citrix client to connect to a VDI that exists somewhere in a datacenter we own, because regulations.
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