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Oil nears $110 a barrel after gas field strike

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Re: Oil nears $110 a barrel after gas field strike

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Post by bluGill »

Theodores wrote: post #78
WJW wrote: post #16

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You could do this whole plan without needing to do the assassination part, as long as you are willing to throw Ukraine under the bus. Conversely, even if the assassination scheme goes exactly as planned, there is no way of guaranteeing that the new Russian leader would be willing to restart gas deliveries until the war in Ukraine has wrapped up. Given that especially the eastern EU countries have absolutely no intent…

The problem for Europe is that they have nothing to trade with Russia. They can get better prices elsewhere. Before 2022 we had the big EU auto companies in Russia, we also had nice handbags, shoes and outfits to sell to Russia. Plus we could have them hide their money in London property. Machine tools were also a brisk trade. Nowadays Russia needs nothing from Europe. Nothing apart from peace and their 300 billion b…

Huh? Even in the US the majority are sympathetic to Ukraine in every survey. Sure we all want no war - but we are not really in favor of no war at any price.

Re: Oil nears $110 a barrel after gas field strike

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Post by yubblegum »

onedognight wrote: post #62
loudmax wrote: post #22

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> It is a great plan. Let's be real here. Nothing this administration ever does is planned.

> Nothing this administration ever does is planned. You are joking, right? Project 2025 has achieved 50% of its goals in record time[0]. Trump disavowed both it and invading Iran, but make no mistake. Both were “the plan”. [0] https://www.project2025.observer/en

"this administration" is not running the show. This is going exactly according to someone else's plan.

After the dust settles:

- GCC is knocked down a few notches and that oil and gas money is no longer competing for influence

- US is out of MENA and Centcom will return to Florida; there is no way Arab governments will let US rebuild its bases in their countries. See burning infrastructure, airports, and decimated trade in tourism, air travel, hitech, ... You thought the Orange One thought up the idea of burning all our aliances, pissing off Europe, alarming Asia allies, and making "fortress America" all by his lonesome? Really?

- Israel will be lording it over the area. Maybe they will start having bases on Arab lands.

- China will be at the mercy of whoever now controls Middle East

- Project 2025 is really about controlling us natives here in America when the coin finally (dear lord) drops over here.

Re: Oil nears $110 a barrel after gas field strike

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Post by pphysch »

cwillu wrote: post #60
pphysch wrote: post #45

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There are vague allegations of Iran being the "leading state sponsor of terror" on one scale, and then Israel openly doing a genocide and starting wars of aggression and assassinating countless civilian and military leaders on the other scale, with a growing number of American bodies as cannon fodder. It is up to you to decide where justice lies.

Nah, there's nothing vague around their funding and training of various militaries and militias in the area. There's more than enough war crimes on both sides to go around, and any concept of justice that is predicated on prosecuting one side exclusively is simply bankrupt. If Israeli civilians are fair game because of Israel's war crimes, then American civilians are fair game for the same reason. And I reject any th…

No one denies that Iran has strategic partnerships in the region. The question comes down to whether you believe armed resistance is ever legitimate or you blanket-dismiss it as "terrorism", in order to justify the territorial encroachment, ethnic cleansing, or mass murder that is brazenly perpetrated by Israel.

Re: Oil nears $110 a barrel after gas field strike

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Post by triceratops »

reillyse wrote: post #53
jmclnx wrote: post #9

Again the US admin proves how dumb they are, even Pres. Bush II knew it would be real stupid to attack Iran. But one thing, higher oil prices may get the US to really get working to avoid Climate Change. Yes, some progress has been made, but real CO2 emissions is increasing. The only time it decreased a bit was during the Covid Shutdown. But one plus may occur, higher price of oil. Yes, higher prices will cause suffe…

I think you are failing to understand how (some) people think in the US. Expensive oil for some means that we should drill more oil wells. There is money sitting under the ground and we stick a pipe down and get it - AMAZING. That is how people think about high oil prices. If oil was to go to zero people would stop pumping it and burning it (for that to happen the alternatives have to be cheaper/better). That is what…

There are only 2 ways oil goes to 0:

1. We stop using oil because we have better, cheaper alternatives, as you already said. Alternatives are cheaper if they become cheaper, but also if oil becomes more expensive. Higher oil prices may stimulate some oil exploration in the short term in the places that have oil. Everywhere else it's going to cause a scramble to renewable alternatives.

2. We stop using oil because we have technologically regressed to the Middle Ages

I prefer option 1.

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Post by ifwinterco »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #91
karmakurtisaani wrote: post #86

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We can't even get Israel out of the Eurovision song contest. Having them face any real consequences is still far away.

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It's Israel's behaviour that is causing antisemitism.

There is a theory that they actively want this, because it encourages people (often with significant human capital) to leave western countries and move to Israel.

This is not a new thing, Theodor Herzl famously said that antisemites were zionist's best allies

Re: Oil nears $110 a barrel after gas field strike

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Post by CamperBob2 »

1718627440 wrote: post #68
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #5

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EU has had a lot of time to recognize the situation they have been in regarding energy. Sorry, but this will never not be not amusing. Where Trump being a stopped clock warns the UN about relying on foreign energy and the German delegation laughs as they were shutting down their nuclear and increasing reliance on Russia for energy. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FfJv9QYrlwg

> EU has had a lot of time to recognize the situation they have been in regarding energy. There is no case of they just needed to pay attention earlier. The problem is known. There is just no good solution. Drastically scaling back energy consumption isn't going to happen any time soon and would harm the economy. So we can choose between Russia, the Middle East and the USA. Best would be of course to reduce fossil us…

There is just no good solution.

Refraining from shutting down their nuclear plants for no good reason would have been a start.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

OgsyedIE wrote: post #7
cyberax wrote: post #3

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Wouldn't they reciprocate the tactic instead?

They could try, but frankly, Russia's not very good at that game anymore. They have lost their mojo. Look how many swings they had to take at Navalny, and their feckless Novichok tomfoolery in the UK. My money's on the Secret Service.
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