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Trevor Milton is raising funds for a new jet he claims will transform flying

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Re: Trevor Milton is raising funds for a new jet he claims will transform flying

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I struggle to understand the psychology of how founders who are clearly incompetent charlatans get second+ chances -- they couldn't do fraud successfully but investors have a faith they could do business successfully. But they still get funding (like adam neumann of wework fame) and full on "narrative tongue baths" by the business media community (like this wsj article on trevor milton). Why? I struggle to understand…

I just can't comprehend the mental process or discussion that happened which led to this guy getting a pardon. It's just hard to imagine that anybody would give a f about this fraudster. Only explanation is he must know some dirt on someone. It's clear now. Modern society runs on blackmail. There's a blackmail hierarchy all the way to the top. I bet there are many people out there just making a living from just knowi…

> I just can't comprehend the mental process or discussion that happened which led to this guy getting a pardon.

Trump when pardoning Trevor Milton said that he didn't know the guy, but heard that he said nice things about him.

And Milton made a $1m donation.

Re: Trevor Milton is raising funds for a new jet he claims will transform flying

#102

I struggle to understand the psychology of how founders who are clearly incompetent charlatans get second+ chances -- they couldn't do fraud successfully but investors have a faith they could do business successfully. But they still get funding (like adam neumann of wework fame) and full on "narrative tongue baths" by the business media community (like this wsj article on trevor milton). Why? I struggle to understand…

I just can't comprehend the mental process or discussion that happened which led to this guy getting a pardon. It's just hard to imagine that anybody would give a f about this fraudster. Only explanation is he must know some dirt on someone. It's clear now. Modern society runs on blackmail. There's a blackmail hierarchy all the way to the top. I bet there are many people out there just making a living from just knowi…

It's not that complicated. From the article:

> Milton and his wife had also donated at least $3.2 million to Trump’s 2024 election and to political groups and people in Trump’s orbit, including Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

Re: Trevor Milton is raising funds for a new jet he claims will transform flying

#103

The President has plenary authority to grant pardons and I imagine a time, in the near future, when questioning any authority of this administration would he deemed an act of treason. Therefore, I wish only the best of luck to never-committed-a-crime Trevor Milton and to the infallibility of our dear leader in his wise and judicious use of the power he has been given by God and the Constitution.

> The President has plenary authority to grant pardons

This really needs to be taken away. Or at least severely limited. Maybe you could pardon at most 10 people. And that too has to be approved by congress or the senate.

Re: Trevor Milton is raising funds for a new jet he claims will transform flying

#104

In my experience, people who are compulsive liars or those who are willing to make large or repeated deceptions for personal gain never change. It is as natural to them as breathing. Some of them I am quite convinced believe their lies, but the net result is the same. I don't know Trevor Milton. I have never met him. Maybe he isn't a compulsive liar but just got in over his head and was trying to make it work. But I…

> Maybe he isn't a compulsive liar

I have followed Trevor for many years. And I think anybody who has done the same will tell you, lying is very very central to his inner core. He lies even when he has zero need to. He just cannot help himself. It satisfies some inner need.

Re: Trevor Milton is raising funds for a new jet he claims will transform flying

#105

On top of the fraud convictions, Trevor Milton was credibly accused of sexual assault by his own cousin and a girl he employed. Both victims were minors at the time. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/29/two-women-file-sexual-abuse-...

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Re: Trevor Milton is raising funds for a new jet he claims will transform flying

#106

I struggle to understand the psychology of how founders who are clearly incompetent charlatans get second+ chances -- they couldn't do fraud successfully but investors have a faith they could do business successfully. But they still get funding (like adam neumann of wework fame) and full on "narrative tongue baths" by the business media community (like this wsj article on trevor milton). Why? I struggle to understand…

This come up in a subthread last week https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47305450

My guess is that they're good talkers. They make it sounds like they learned their lesson or were framed but regardless if you hire them they'll make you rich!

Re: Trevor Milton is raising funds for a new jet he claims will transform flying

#107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a school of thought that reporting on a bad person without coming out and saying "this is a bad person" is akin to endorsing that person. Myself, I think people are mature enough to be able to read past a headline and come away from this with a clear eyed view of this fraudster.

My rule has always been, forgive people, but never forget what they did. After they've made restitution, help them back to their feet, but don't let them ever get to the place where they can fail the same way. And whatever you do, don't let them get into a leadership position. They've already proved they can't help themselves when the pressure in on.

> forgive people, but never forget what they did.

How many times are you willing to forgive? Trevor has seen prison only once. But frauds? Many.

Re: Trevor Milton is raising funds for a new jet he claims will transform flying

#108

On top of the fraud convictions, Trevor Milton was credibly accused of sexual assault by his own cousin and a girl he employed. Both victims were minors at the time. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/29/two-women-file-sexual-abuse-...

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> She was 15, that’s older than the age of consent in a lot of US states.

What are you smoking? The lowest age of consent in any US state is 16

Re: Trevor Milton is raising funds for a new jet he claims will transform flying

#109
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to be making an assumption on what comment the OP is referring to. Could you provide us the quote you think has "gone through many rounds of telephone"?

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Post the whole thing.

> I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful—I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything.

Re: Trevor Milton is raising funds for a new jet he claims will transform flying

#110

On top of the fraud convictions, Trevor Milton was credibly accused of sexual assault by his own cousin and a girl he employed. Both victims were minors at the time. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/29/two-women-file-sexual-abuse-...

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False? No US state has an age of consent below 16 except in cases between minors (Romeo & Juliet laws), which this most certainly isn't?
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