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Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

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Post by lelanthran »

Lapel2742 wrote: post #93
lelanthran wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also think that this is the best approach for businesses wanting to adopt AI to automate, streamline, etc their business. The problem they have is that this is not a moat - their approach is easily reproducible. If they can pull ahead in having the most number of pre-trained models (one for this ERP, one for that CRM, etc) and then being able to close sales to companies using these products and sell them on post-tr…

> The problem they have is that this is not a moat - their approach is easily reproducible. My 2ct: Currently the moat may be that they are not US-American which is not reproducible by any of the US alternatives.

> My 2ct: Currently the moat may be that they are not US-American which is not reproducible by any of the US alternatives.

I hope you are right (I am in the process of finalising a product and one of the top-5 selling points contains "outside the jurisdiction of the US"), but in my experience, companies only pay lip service to ethics unless it hits their bottom line.

Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

#102

Post by drstewart »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #75
utopiah wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to believe... but I also need proofs of that "trend", any reference I could read on please?

While few companies announce this publicly, I know from personal experience with corporate clients that many companies are preparing for Trump to use Big Tech as a bargaining chip. And they should. Because the US is not behaving rationally at all. https://nltimes.nl/2026/02/10/rabobank-ing-abn-amro-seek-eur... https://www.theregister.com/2025/11/13/gartner_cio_cloud_sov... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/eur…

>While few companies announce this publicly, I know from personal experience with corporate clients

Well I have even more personal experience that contradicts yours, and this isn't true at all. Everyone uses Claude / Gemini / OpenAI. Mistral isn't even on the table.

Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

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Post by Lapel2742 »

drstewart wrote: post #98
Lapel2742 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The problem they have is that this is not a moat - their approach is easily reproducible. My 2ct: Currently the moat may be that they are not US-American which is not reproducible by any of the US alternatives.

This moat doesn't seem to be much of a moat considering a non-US model doesn't even crack the top 5 by usage - except DeepSeek, which would be a strange choice for Europeans looking for data sovereignty.

> considering a non-US model doesn't even crack the top 5 by usage

How do you measure "usage" in an enterprise/commercial context where no data on usage is available to you? I don't expect Mistral AI to make it's money on OpenRouter.

Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

#104

Post by drstewart »

schubidubiduba wrote: post #68
jstummbillig wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would that be? Most big EU companies use ms teams or google workspace, for example.

They use those because the decision to use them was made years ago. Things have changed since then

No they haven't.

Proof: Most big EU companies use Claude or Gemini or OpenAI, not Mistral. That choice was made recently.

Things have changed in the loud echo chambers of the internet, maybe (but not really, since people were saying that EU data sovereignty was happening any time now since 2016).

Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

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Post by kioleanu »

newswasboring wrote: post #99
kioleanu wrote: post #71

I like Mistral, it hits the exact sweet spot between cost and my data staying in the EU, withouth a significant drop in quality, but man are their model naming conventions confusing af. They mention they have a model called Devstral 2, which is neither Codestral nor Devestral. I want to use it, but the api only lists devstral-2512, devstral-latest, devstral-medium-latest, devstral-medium-2507, devstral-small, devstra…

I have a general impression they are not interested too much in individual devs and making it suite their workflow. They want to be a B2B company and deliver a custom workflow per company. Or it can just be a Google like problem where a big company one part doesn't talk to the other.

you might be correct. for example, they have an intellij plugin that allows integration without the AI Assistant, but it is only available for Enterprise customers

Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

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Post by sisve »

drstewart wrote: post #104
schubidubiduba wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They use those because the decision to use them was made years ago. Things have changed since then

No they haven't. Proof: Most big EU companies use Claude or Gemini or OpenAI, not Mistral. That choice was made recently. Things have changed in the loud echo chambers of the internet, maybe (but not really, since people were saying that EU data sovereignty was happening any time now since 2016).

My _feeling_ is that a lot of EU/European politicians has talked a lot more about the need to be independent from the US after Trump threaten Greenland. At least in the nordic countries. Not only concerning data & privacy, but defence, communications, space etc. All areas. The wheel has started to turn. You will not see it if you look around. But in 10 years time, maybe more, Europe will have stopped depending on the US. And that will hit US hard. We pay a lot of money in services to the US.

Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

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Post by Lapel2742 »

lelanthran wrote: post #101
Lapel2742 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The problem they have is that this is not a moat - their approach is easily reproducible. My 2ct: Currently the moat may be that they are not US-American which is not reproducible by any of the US alternatives.

> My 2ct: Currently the moat may be that they are not US-American which is not reproducible by any of the US alternatives. I hope you are right (I am in the process of finalising a product and one of the top-5 selling points contains "outside the jurisdiction of the US"), but in my experience, companies only pay lip service to ethics unless it hits their bottom line.

> but in my experience, companies only pay lip service to ethics unless it hits their bottom line.

Sure, Mistral AI is certainly not the market leader and probably never will be but we're not talking about being a market leader but about having a moat.

I instantly believe you when you tell me that many companies do not care. On the other hand there are companies that do. At least partially: ASML, Stellantis, AXA, BNP Paribas, the French ministry of defense, Helsing, SNCF, ... are all Mistral AI customers.

Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

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Post by soco »

newswasboring wrote: post #99
kioleanu wrote: post #71

I like Mistral, it hits the exact sweet spot between cost and my data staying in the EU, withouth a significant drop in quality, but man are their model naming conventions confusing af. They mention they have a model called Devstral 2, which is neither Codestral nor Devestral. I want to use it, but the api only lists devstral-2512, devstral-latest, devstral-medium-latest, devstral-medium-2507, devstral-small, devstra…

I have a general impression they are not interested too much in individual devs and making it suite their workflow. They want to be a B2B company and deliver a custom workflow per company. Or it can just be a Google like problem where a big company one part doesn't talk to the other.

But wouldn't winning devs be a neat helping point in winning b2b contacts? Or they think golf courts are enough for success? Okay they might be right here, but still they make it so confusing for no obvious reason.

Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

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Post by IanCal »

kioleanu wrote: post #71

I like Mistral, it hits the exact sweet spot between cost and my data staying in the EU, withouth a significant drop in quality, but man are their model naming conventions confusing af. They mention they have a model called Devstral 2, which is neither Codestral nor Devestral. I want to use it, but the api only lists devstral-2512, devstral-latest, devstral-medium-latest, devstral-medium-2507, devstral-small, devstra…

I got really lost on their site, but to help a bit according to their model page

devstral-2512 devstral-latest and devstral-medium-latest are all devstral 2 https://docs.mistral.ai/models/devstral-2-25-12

labs-devstral-small-2512 and devstral-small-latest are devstral small 2

devstral-medium-2507 is devstral 1.0

and devstral-small-2507 is devstral small 1.1

Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

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Post by kioleanu »

IanCal wrote: post #109
kioleanu wrote: post #71

I like Mistral, it hits the exact sweet spot between cost and my data staying in the EU, withouth a significant drop in quality, but man are their model naming conventions confusing af. They mention they have a model called Devstral 2, which is neither Codestral nor Devestral. I want to use it, but the api only lists devstral-2512, devstral-latest, devstral-medium-latest, devstral-medium-2507, devstral-small, devstra…

I got really lost on their site, but to help a bit according to their model page devstral-2512 devstral-latest and devstral-medium-latest are all devstral 2 https://docs.mistral.ai/models/devstral-2-25-12 labs-devstral-small-2512 and devstral-small-latest are devstral small 2 devstral-medium-2507 is devstral 1.0 and devstral-small-2507 is devstral small 1.1

wow, thank you, this is great. I was thinking they should have a page like this, but I couldn't find myself.
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