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Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by jcgl »

elseleigh wrote: post #55

I had a SailfishOS phone for four years; an Xperia XA2+. The operating system was wonderful, and being able to run Android apps when there was no alternative was a good way of filling in the gaps in the Jolla store. However, as I've got older I find large phones more and more unwieldy, and I couldn't find a small enough SailfishOS phone to switch to. I'm now running LineageOS on a Jelly Star. The form factor is perfe…

I had no idea that you could run Lineage on the Jelly Star! That sounds phenomenal. My dream phone is a Star running Graphene. But short of that, Lineage would be great.

Any notes on your experience?

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by furryrain »

poisonborz wrote: post #9

Jolla / Sailfish is a 13 year old project and through all this time they couldn't make a foothold, or even sustain some small motivated community around them. During this time: - company folded and changed hand multiple times, including russian ownership - the tablet scandal leaving users with lost funds - closed source parts - locked bootloader - charging a $50 device reset fee - not much change in Sailfish OS since…

"- buggy Android compatibility and near zero native devs, all jumped ship"

I'm a bit confused by this. Are you saying that the developers who once wrote native Sailfish OS apps are no longer writing those native apps?

Is there any hope for using the responsive libadwaita programs from the Mobile Linux space? I realise this isn't particularly large, but it is active.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by Fnoord »

nottorp wrote: post #32

Are these non Google non Apple phones viable any more? Considering you almost can't do banking, and in some places interact with the government, without a locked down phone...

If you don't expect Google Pay / Apple Pay to work? Yes. There's a thread on the SFOS forums dedicated to this [1].

[1] https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/banking-apps-on-sailfish-os/1...

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by Fnoord »

moobsen wrote: post #96
nottorp wrote: post #32

Are these non Google non Apple phones viable any more? Considering you almost can't do banking, and in some places interact with the government, without a locked down phone...

I just switched to a Fairphone 5 with e/OS, which is a de-googled Android (it uses microG), and am pleasantly surprised how well everything works. My banking apps work, contacts and calendar lived on nextcloud already, the learning apps I use work. The two things I have to get used to is not having google maps, but the map app on there has also worked fine for me so far. And casting to a Chromecast doesn't really wor…

If you want, we can ritually bury your Chromecast? I'll bring the marshmallows, spiders, and the Necronomicon. Oh, and two of my old Chromecasts, rotting in a drawer.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by Fnoord »

slipheen wrote: post #43
kombine wrote: post #36

The absence of eSIM is a deal breaker for me. I need to travel to the US for work and last time I was there I was having a hard time to find a physical SIM for the phone I had then.

I certainly do not want to try to talk you into this particular phone – but just in the general case so you know, it's pretty easy to get physical Sims that you can download an eSIM onto.

Yeah but usually you need to use an app to upload the eSIM to the SIM card. And that app runs on a certain OS. Whether they run on SFOS, I do not know. It is worth finding out, if you can afford the time for the research.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by Fnoord »

microtonal wrote: post #54
kombine wrote: post #36

The absence of eSIM is a deal breaker for me. I need to travel to the US for work and last time I was there I was having a hard time to find a physical SIM for the phone I had then.

In 2026, I would not want to travel to the US with a phone that does not have the level of device security of a Pixel with GrapheneOS or an iPhone. (I actually do not want to travel to the US, period. But that's a different story.)

If you travel to communist/fascist or otherwise authoritarian [1] countries, use a burner. And if your boss wants you to go to USA, have the guts to say no.

[1] Includes UK, as they have FDE unlock laws. No cooperation = years of prison.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

#108

Post by mpol »

furryrain wrote: post #102
poisonborz wrote: post #9

Jolla / Sailfish is a 13 year old project and through all this time they couldn't make a foothold, or even sustain some small motivated community around them. During this time: - company folded and changed hand multiple times, including russian ownership - the tablet scandal leaving users with lost funds - closed source parts - locked bootloader - charging a $50 device reset fee - not much change in Sailfish OS since…

"- buggy Android compatibility and near zero native devs, all jumped ship" I'm a bit confused by this. Are you saying that the developers who once wrote native Sailfish OS apps are no longer writing those native apps? Is there any hope for using the responsive libadwaita programs from the Mobile Linux space? I realise this isn't particularly large, but it is active.

> Is there any hope for using the responsive libadwaita programs from the Mobile Linux space?

Currently not, if I understand correctly. There are plans to update or rewrite the Wayland compositor. If all goes well it should support GTK programs and I assume libadwaita too.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by charcircuit »

mpol wrote: post #91
fsflover wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The same can be said about any operating system. GNU/Linux is already supported without a (single) megacorp. So not all OSes have this problem.

@charcircuit Sailfish is more like GNU/Linux, that is the OS in this context. For Jolla that is less code to maintain themselves then what Google maintains in Android/Linux. Hard forking Android/Linux looks to be quite a big bite to chew on.

Jolla doesn't need to hard fork AOSP. They can continue to benefit from the billions of dollars Google infests into AOSP and Android.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Post by owaislone »

elseleigh wrote: post #55

I had a SailfishOS phone for four years; an Xperia XA2+. The operating system was wonderful, and being able to run Android apps when there was no alternative was a good way of filling in the gaps in the Jolla store. However, as I've got older I find large phones more and more unwieldy, and I couldn't find a small enough SailfishOS phone to switch to. I'm now running LineageOS on a Jelly Star. The form factor is perfe…

I had a Nokia N9 or was it N7 that ran the predecessor OS to Sailfish. It was so good back then. The UX left android and iOS in dust. Both ended up adopting a lot of patterns from it later. Loved that phone.
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