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The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19

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Re: The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19

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I have to ask, what's the custody split?

50/50 The main downside is relocating is impossible until your kids reach adulthood if you want to keep it that way so that is something to consider.

That's the main downside of divorce, not of having children or the custody split.

Re: The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19

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If you're curious what it's like for a couple of normies doing IVF, I wrote down our experience here to the degree I remembered: https://wiki.roshangeorge.dev/w/IVF

how were the adverse effects during the hormone / endocrine therapy for her?

I've been through six egg retrievals. I've probably been lucky in the the physical effects weren't bad for me (but I've had/have endometriosis so I'm pretty used to just dealing with pain and discomfort). The emotional effects were harder. Not just the stress of not knowing whether it was even going to work (most times it didn't), but also the hormonal shifts resulting in rapid mood swings and irritability - which my partner found hard to deal with.

Re: The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19

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how were the adverse effects during the hormone / endocrine therapy for her?

I've been through six egg retrievals. I've probably been lucky in the the physical effects weren't bad for me (but I've had/have endometriosis so I'm pretty used to just dealing with pain and discomfort). The emotional effects were harder. Not just the stress of not knowing whether it was even going to work (most times it didn't), but also the hormonal shifts resulting in rapid mood swings and irritability - which my…

I appreciate you mentioning the mood effects because I've heard those are pretty common too. Also weight gain , bloating and skin issues.

Re: The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19

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Having done IVF with my wife I think this is the most underrated fertility advice available today. I don't understand why governments of countries with increasing average age and low birth rate don't pay for this for all women. This is one the best pro-family policies that can be implemented.

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Re: The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19

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This is an article that you need to read critically, beyond the headline. Even a few paragraphs down they say this: > The optimal age to freeze eggs varies depending on the source and metric, but almost all sources agree it's sometime between 19 and 26. So there's some heavy bias inserted already into the title. The next chart shows a peak around 19, but if you read the fine print it's not a chart about eggs at all.…

Well, the website is called lesswrong.com, and not correct.com.

I tried not to comment directly on the site because I wanted my points to stand on their own. However, Lesswrong has a long history on the internet. It’s part of the “rationalist” writing sphere which has become oddly preoccupied with topics like race and IQ, eugenics-adjacent topics, and never ending flirtations with reactionary ideologies.

Re: The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19

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Peoples 40s and 50s are their most productive years. We would be better off just letting people take 10 years off in their twenties - but most people would just party party party (what they do anyway)

Given two parents, there are four grandparents. Sharing the load across six people is much better than sharing between two.

Those four grandparents could end up with anywhere from 1-8+ grandkids though, depending on how many children they had, and how many grandchildren come along

Re: The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19

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I don't see a very big reason mentioned: You might not need it at all. Sure, the optimal age to freeze might be 19, but if 80% of women are done with children by age 30, why would you have every woman spend the equivalent of buying a small car on something they're overwhelmingly not going to need? Waiting to get a good balance of "your eggs are still reasonably healthy" and "if you haven't had kids until now, it'll p…

Apparently the harvesting procedure typically (but not always?) involves general anesthesia. That alone is never entirely risk-free. In this context, the temporary loss of bodily autonomy could be particularly problematic. All that comes on top of the required hormone treatment. It's not a trivial procedure. On the other hand, it may be a useful tool to resist expectations to become a mother until it becomes socially…

This is the best argument against early egg retrieval. If it were just a matter of money, the argument holds. However, the treatment involves pumping you with hormones that make you feel like crap the week before and after. Almost daily bloody draws are involved.

Then you add potential complications from anesthesia and the egg retrieval itself, and you have a net negative expected value.

The first time my wife underwent egg retrieval, the surgeon accidentally pierced her ovary. She has had pain on that ovary since.

Re: The optimal age to freeze eggs is 19

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Biological optimal vs societal optimal.

"Societal optimal" should really include consideration of whether that society can sustain itself.

Sure, but should "societal optimal" be a concern for the individual? I think not. Government economists, maybe.
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