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Re: New imagery suggests U.S. responsible for Iran school strike

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Post by mullingitover »

jiggawatts wrote: post #85
lawn wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was talking about Russia, not US incompetence or malice, who have an explicit tactic to target civilians.

They target civilian infrastructure like power plants and the like, but again, that's "not the same" as purposefully targeting a school or an apartment block. The latter they do fairly clearly by accident, because I've seen at least four video clips of Ukranians interviewed outside of a bombed civilian building saying something to the effect of "Oh yeah, back in 1990 there was a military training facility here but it…

> civilian infrastructure like power plants

The Russians have bombed multiple children’s hospitals.

Re: New imagery suggests U.S. responsible for Iran school strike

#102

Post by mullingitover »

Sabinus wrote: post #97
xrd wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure how "they want war, so they are bombing negligently" is any different. Or morally better.

It's not, but that's not what the USA wants. They want Iran to stop destabilising the ME, and to eliminate the threat to the USA consisting of the Iranian nuke program, the ballistic missile program, and the religious zeal to use them. What on earth makes you assert the USA just 'wants war'? If this war goes on for too long Trump is cooked. He'll lose the election and might even be unpopular enough to cop the persecu…

> What on earth makes you assert the USA just 'wants war'?

The "Department of War" they created before promptly starting an absolute textbook War of Aggression is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that the war was premeditated.

Re: New imagery suggests U.S. responsible for Iran school strike

#103

Post by jiggawatts »

mullingitover wrote: post #101
jiggawatts wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They target civilian infrastructure like power plants and the like, but again, that's "not the same" as purposefully targeting a school or an apartment block. The latter they do fairly clearly by accident, because I've seen at least four video clips of Ukranians interviewed outside of a bombed civilian building saying something to the effect of "Oh yeah, back in 1990 there was a military training facility here but it…

> civilian infrastructure like power plants The Russians have bombed multiple children’s hospitals.

Yes, well... the Russians seem especially unconcerned with checking targets for validity before mashing the fire button.

The logic they're presenting is largely the same as Israel's excuse for bombing hospitals in Gaza.

When there's a war in a civilian area, injured soldiers from the front line will be mostly treated at the nearest available hospital, which then overflows into regional hospitals further back, etc... A country under siege at the scales seen in Ukraine and Gaza don't get to pick and choose specific hospitals, they're all overflowing, so they use every available medical facility, including children's hospitals.

Worse, the convoys taking the wounded to these hospitals are more than likely military trucks and are driven by and/or escorted by military personnel in uniform.

On a blurry satellite picture or drone video the enemy will see a building frequently visited by the military.

"Legitimate target!"

Boom.

"Oops."

Re: New imagery suggests U.S. responsible for Iran school strike

#104

Post by mullingitover »

jiggawatts wrote: post #103
mullingitover wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> civilian infrastructure like power plants The Russians have bombed multiple children’s hospitals.

Yes, well... the Russians seem especially unconcerned with checking targets for validity before mashing the fire button. The logic they're presenting is largely the same as Israel's excuse for bombing hospitals in Gaza. When there's a war in a civilian area, injured soldiers from the front line will be mostly treated at the nearest available hospital, which then overflows into regional hospitals further back, etc...…

That's a lot of contortions to go through to avoid the clear Occam's Razor conclusion that these people are simply evil scumbags doing evil scumbag things. Bombing hospitals because they thought they contained wounded troops isn't a defense, that's a whole war crime of its own!

They have an extremely long track record of committing atrocities. You don't need to go out of your way to give them the benefit of the doubt, unless you're literally in Russia where they'll imprison you for telling the truth about what they're doing.

Re: New imagery suggests U.S. responsible for Iran school strike

#105

Post by surgical_fire »

Sabinus wrote: post #97
xrd wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure how "they want war, so they are bombing negligently" is any different. Or morally better.

It's not, but that's not what the USA wants. They want Iran to stop destabilising the ME, and to eliminate the threat to the USA consisting of the Iranian nuke program, the ballistic missile program, and the religious zeal to use them. What on earth makes you assert the USA just 'wants war'? If this war goes on for too long Trump is cooked. He'll lose the election and might even be unpopular enough to cop the persecu…

> stop destabilising the ME

USA is the destabilizing force. In the case of Iran specifically, what happenes today is in many ways a consequence of the 1953 coup.

Re: New imagery suggests U.S. responsible for Iran school strike

#106

Post by [deleted] »

andriy_koval wrote: post #79
tchalla wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US will have ceded much of the moral high ground they claimed in avenging the slaughter of innocent protesters. It will be forgotten soon.

> It will be forgotten soon. it won't. Opposing US political side will weaponize this incident in their interests.

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Re: New imagery suggests U.S. responsible for Iran school strike

#107

Post by JKCalhoun »

rustyhancock wrote: post #25
mullingitover wrote: post #11

I get the feeling AI will be blamed for this, but I would not rule out the hypothesis that this was done intentionally in order to incite Iran to do something that bolsters support for the US regime’s actions. They desperately need domestic political support for this war and right now even the hardcore MAGA people are against it.

I can't say I'm as conspiratorial as you. I don't really know how these systems work, perhaps I shouldn't speak without research. But it seems like a pretty basic error. The base has looks like 5 buildings in an L shape. 4 buildings where hit in an L shape. I can imagine the sites were picked from a satellite image and the wrong building was marked. Or in flight from the camera the wrong buildings were marked. It is…

> The perfect just war simply does not exist.

Agree.

In the moment before war is initiated, before a strike is launched against a country, the leaders considering war must immediately assume they are likely to destroy a school full of children some point.

Re: New imagery suggests U.S. responsible for Iran school strike

#108

Post by urikaduri »

mullingitover wrote: post #11

I get the feeling AI will be blamed for this, but I would not rule out the hypothesis that this was done intentionally in order to incite Iran to do something that bolsters support for the US regime’s actions. They desperately need domestic political support for this war and right now even the hardcore MAGA people are against it.

You really think the IRGC cared about schoolchildren? Give me a break, they used to have child soldiers.

Re: New imagery suggests U.S. responsible for Iran school strike

#109

Post by mxmilkiib »

JeremyNT wrote: post #95
bathtub365 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d argue that Iran has a huge influence on US politics, as the US is currently at war with them.

The fate of Iranian civilians does not impact US politics. A majority of Americans are completely unconcerned by the suffering of victims of the empire abroad.

the "concern" of US civilians in general is different from the result of their nations behaviours

Re: New imagery suggests U.S. responsible for Iran school strike

#110

Post by thomassmith65 »

plaidfuji wrote: post #47

If this turns out to be true, which seems increasingly likely day by day, this will be the humanitarian price against which the rest of the campaign will be measured. The US will have ceded much of the moral high ground they claimed in avenging the slaughter of innocent protesters.

The IRGC's strategy in this conflict has been to blow up civilian targets in nearly all nations surrounding it.

It appears the IRGC has chosen civilian targets (eg: high rise apartments, airports, oil fields) on purpose, but if not, then they have such poor technology that their strikes are random.

Killing people in 11 nations to put pressure on the two nations that actually attacked you is a good demonstration of the Iranian regime's morals.

If the USA or Israel bombed this school, it clearly was an accident, since the only party it benefits is the Iranian regime.

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