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Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

#101

Post by polairscience »

tl2do wrote: post #20

I admire the de-Googled approach of GrapheneOS. As a lawyer, privacy concerns resonate with me too. I love the rebellious attitude of tech that presents an alternative choice in an overly duopolistic market. That said, I wouldn't last 8.4 months like the author. Even though he admits to some Google app usage, I'm in too deep — I'd never be able to get out. But if I get the chance, I'd like to try it on a secondary ph…

Graphene supports the 6a, which unlocked goes for ~$100 on ebay. I imagine you can swing that as a lawyer to play around.

I'll also echo the ideas from everyone else here. You can just use it as a normal Android phone the way you do any other and there's still big benefits. There's also really big benefits in terms of carrier privacy that aren't often talked about, like vpn routing and hotspot usage.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by milan777love »

I wanted GrapheneOS to deliver on its promises so bad, it sounds so good on paper. And I should be the ideal user, a technical guy whose quality of life is directly impacted by a lack of privacy/security, highly motivated to use it correctly. But the reality is that you can't have your cake and eat it too. Just leave your phone at home, this is a toy for privacy enthusiasts. A well intentioned but fruitless hobby.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by microtonal »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #83
iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has to be some fascinating regional difference, because my personal experiences suggest the opposite. Would you be willing to elaborate ( in general terms/locations if too sensitive )?

I wonder if phone theft specifically hasn't (somewhat) gone down now that most are encrypted and tied to some online account by default. Maybe criminals have heard about this, and they focus on other things. Where I live, people still carry cash (though not absurd amounts) and credit cards, and I understand that's what most pickpockets are after. Especially since, after covid, the limit for contactless payments has i…

Burglars recently broke into my parents' house and they left the MacBook and iPads. Most informed thieves probably know that they are bound to an account, can easily be blocked, and there is no use trying to sell them.

I would assume its more and more the case with phones as well. ~10-15 years ago I heard often about smartphones getting stolen out of people's pockets, etc. Not so much anymore.

Non-Apple laptops is probably a different game.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

#104

Post by microtonal »

fsflover wrote: post #97
microtonal wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, most smartphones (especially GrapheneOS, iOS, Pixel, etc) are far more secure than desktops/laptops. So also from a security perspective it's better to do banking on a phone.

Unless you use Qubes OS (which I do).

Maybe, but this is irrelevant to 99.99% of bank users out there.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

#105

Post by microtonal »

milan777love wrote: post #102

I wanted GrapheneOS to deliver on its promises so bad, it sounds so good on paper. And I should be the ideal user, a technical guy whose quality of life is directly impacted by a lack of privacy/security, highly motivated to use it correctly. But the reality is that you can't have your cake and eat it too. Just leave your phone at home, this is a toy for privacy enthusiasts. A well intentioned but fruitless hobby.

You made an account just to attack GrapheneOS without even providing any arguments why it is supposedly a toy?

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by milan777love »

microtonal wrote: post #105
milan777love wrote: post #102

I wanted GrapheneOS to deliver on its promises so bad, it sounds so good on paper. And I should be the ideal user, a technical guy whose quality of life is directly impacted by a lack of privacy/security, highly motivated to use it correctly. But the reality is that you can't have your cake and eat it too. Just leave your phone at home, this is a toy for privacy enthusiasts. A well intentioned but fruitless hobby.

You made an account just to attack GrapheneOS without even providing any arguments why it is supposedly a toy?

I used it for a few months after buying a Nitrophone but it was pwned with the same ease as regular Android, in days. So I just use it as a regular Pixel 8a now. Wish I went for Qubes instead maybe then I would've had more luck.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

#107

Post by barnabee »

traxler wrote: post #31

For all the "My Banking Apps don't work", I'd raise one question: Do you really need access to banking apps on the go? I get that it can be handy and maybe you legit do, but I'd wager most people don't really do. If you can pay by phone you can pay by card and the card has less potentially to weirdly break. And if your bank demands a phone app to be used, you can always have a cheap stock android lying around at home…

In the UK at least, banking apps are how you give people cash when you owe them for dinner, drinks, whatever. It's also needed to authorise online payments. And for travel, location services is often used by the better banks as an alternative to immediately blocking your card every time you go anywhere. Then there are account perks[0] like airport lounges, co-working spaces, exercise classes, etc. that all use the app for access.

It'd be more than just a bit inconvenient to lose all of these things…

Luckily, all of my personal and business banking apps work fine on Graphene. Even the apps for the crusty old "bricks and mortar" banks that I still have backup accounts with.

[0] As an aside, Revolut Ultra in the UK costs less than the FT Digital subscription it includes so if you're an FT subscriber, all the other stuff that comes with the account is cheaper than free.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by fsflover »

microtonal wrote: post #104
fsflover wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you use Qubes OS (which I do).

Maybe, but this is irrelevant to 99.99% of bank users out there.

It means that banks cannot say "desktop is insecure, therefore a mobile app is required for your security". I can manage my own security in a better way.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by haskman »

PSA: For folks looking for a swipe enabled keyboard on GrapheneOS without using Google's gboard, try Heliboard - https://f-droid.org/packages/helium314.keyboard/. It's 100% FOSS, but can also use the binary blob from google's gesture typing library "swypelibs" to provide swipe typing. Since helium can't access the internet, I am okay with that.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by noman-land »

haskman wrote: post #109

PSA: For folks looking for a swipe enabled keyboard on GrapheneOS without using Google's gboard, try Heliboard - https://f-droid.org/packages/helium314.keyboard/ . It's 100% FOSS, but can also use the binary blob from google's gesture typing library "swypelibs" to provide swipe typing. Since helium can't access the internet, I am okay with that.

How does this compare to FlorisBoard?
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