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Our Agreement with the Department of War

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Re: Our Agreement with the Department of War

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> The Department of War may use the AI System for all lawful purposes, consistent with applicable law, operational requirements, and well-established safety and oversight protocols. The AI System will not be used to independently direct autonomous weapons in any case where law, regulation, or Department policy requires human control , nor will it be used to assume other high-stakes decisions that require approval by…

Wait, one of those contracts says you may not build the Terminator. The other says you may build the Terminator if the DOD lawyers say it’s okay. This is a major distinction.

100% this - totally stealing this analogy.

Re: Our Agreement with the Department of War

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, which is probably the point made by the negotiators on behalf of the US Government. "We don't want Anthropic's standard, we want the Constitution."

Maybe I'm misunderstanding but are you taking the gov's side? Anthropic's standard was the constitutions. The executive branch has no authorization under US law to perform surveillance of any kind on its own. OpenAI will now be breaking US law, Anthropic simply decided to obey US law. The US government can update its laws and come back to Anthropic, or do what they just did

No, I'm not taking the government's side. I'm telling the government's side. That's probably true that the executive branch can't do those things, but it may be able to do so in the future. Thus, Anthropic's rule would then be inconsistent with the laws applying to the government.

> The US government can update its laws and come back to Anthropic

No, this I do take issue with. It's the people who update the U.S. government's laws.

Re: Our Agreement with the Department of War

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post #99

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And behind the quitting decision is very little safety net and usually substantial financial obligations keeping people handcuffed. Something has to give. The power employees had during covid was the way it should be, or something more closely approximating that.

Ironically this ends up with Chinese H1Bs remaining loyal while Americans have to fall on their sword

For now. We should change the immigration laws.

Re: Our Agreement with the Department of War

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I don't think Anthropic is a saint that will never do anything unethical. I don't think ChatGPT is any better or worse. But I do think my cancelling ChatGPT so I can try Claude, at this time, sends the message I want to send, which is why I did it.

And a nice bonus is that Claude is way better than ChatGPT right now anyway

Re: Our Agreement with the Department of War

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> OpenAI acceded to demands that the US Government can do whatever it wants that is legal. Anthropic wanted to impose its own morals into the use of its products. Excuse me, but what a fucked up perspective. "Impose its own morals into the use of its products"? What happened to "We give each other the freedom to hold beliefs and act accordingly unless it does harm"? How on earth did it come to something where the fra…

The GP's use of the word "impose" didn't seem perjorative to me or suggest that Anthropic is the offender and the government is the victim. I think you're reading a lot into a simple word choice and this response seems way too hostile.

Are you really going to pretend that “impose their morals” is a completely value-neutral statement?

Re: Our Agreement with the Department of War

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post #10

> The Department of War may use the AI System for all lawful purposes, consistent with applicable law, operational requirements, and well-established safety and oversight protocols. The AI System will not be used to independently direct autonomous weapons in any case where law, regulation, or Department policy requires human control , nor will it be used to assume other high-stakes decisions that require approval by…

The word "legal" is doing all of the heavy lifting. Considering the countless adjudicated illegal things that the government is doing publicly. What happens behind classified closed doors?

I guess you can consider it a moral stance that if the government constantly does illegal things you wouldn't trust them to follow the law.

I know that's not what Anthropic said but that's the gist I'm getting.

Re: Our Agreement with the Department of War

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I don't think Anthropic is a saint that will never do anything unethical. I don't think ChatGPT is any better or worse. But I do think my cancelling ChatGPT so I can try Claude, at this time, sends the message I want to send, which is why I did it.

It's also good to demonstrate to these companies that we're willing to move. If these companies know their entire userbase will just pack up and move at the first controversy, there wont be any controversies.
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