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Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by bmelton »

GenerWork wrote: post #91
TehCorwiz wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This conflict has zero to do with AI in the grand scheme of things. We had a whole supreme court case about refusing service to customers. Remember that? Private companies can choose which customers to service. And let's be clear about what's being sold. It's not a product that changes hands, it's a service provided continually. And as anyone except the enlisted military troops can, said vendor can choose which effor…

Which case is that?

Masterpiece Cakeshop v Colorado

https://www.oyez.org/cases/2017/16-111

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by piskov »

BitsAndObjects wrote: post #89
piskov wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’m sure nothing good can come out of strong-arming some of the brightest scientists and engineers the U.S. has And where would they emigrate? Russia? China? UAE? :-)

The UK and Europe welcome the US Footgun Operation. Plenty of opportunities for those top researchers and engineers over here. The EU (which is not the same as Europe), is also looking a bit sharper on AI regulation at the moment (for now… not perfect but sharper etc etc).

Do UK and Europe have hardware manufacturing for those researches to work with once US imposes GPU export restrictions to them at the first whiff of competition/threat?

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by collinmcnulty »

gslepak wrote: post #49
yoyohello13 wrote: post #9

I hope Anthropic will survive this. If they don’t it will just be perfect proof that you cannot be both moral and successful in the US.

Who cares whether the "company" survives? I've seen this movie. A few of them in fact. We're on the chopping block here, lol.

We should care because if they win they empower others to stand up as well, and not just in the area of AI safety. Courage is contagious, and whatever else you think of Anthropic, they’re showing real courage here.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by thimabi »

BitsAndObjects wrote: post #89
piskov wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’m sure nothing good can come out of strong-arming some of the brightest scientists and engineers the U.S. has And where would they emigrate? Russia? China? UAE? :-)

The UK and Europe welcome the US Footgun Operation. Plenty of opportunities for those top researchers and engineers over here. The EU (which is not the same as Europe), is also looking a bit sharper on AI regulation at the moment (for now… not perfect but sharper etc etc).

I agree. And even if those workers stay in the U.S., there’s absolutely no guarantee that they’ll do their best to favor the government’s interests — quite the opposite, if anything.

At the end of the day it’s a matter of incentives, and good knowledge work can’t simply be forced out of people that are unwilling to cooperate.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by verdverm »

krapp wrote: post #94
verdverm wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't tread on me

Ironically the flag flown mostly by the people who voted for this tyranny. They should reprint it to say "Step on me Daddy."

There's a good one going around with the Anthropic logo replacing the snake

https://bsky.app/profile/verdverm.com/post/3mfuuogxjpk2b

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by claudiojulio »

txrx0000 wrote: post #48

This is why you can't gatekeep AI capabilities. It will eventually be taken from you by force. It's time to open-source everything. Papers, code, weights, financial records. Do all of your research in the open. Run 100% transparent labs so that there's nothing to take from you. Level the playing field for good and bad actors alike, otherwise the bad actors will get their hands on it while everyone else is left behind…

If it's taken by force, it will stagnate. It makes no sense at all.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by engineer_22 »

TehCorwiz wrote: post #45
bko wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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This conflict has zero to do with AI in the grand scheme of things. We had a whole supreme court case about refusing service to customers. Remember that? Private companies can choose which customers to service. And let's be clear about what's being sold. It's not a product that changes hands, it's a service provided continually. And as anyone except the enlisted military troops can, said vendor can choose which effor…

Plenty of precedent for seizing private property for national defence. The list is long and growing.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by layer8 »

medi8r wrote: post #58
txrx0000 wrote: post #48

This is why you can't gatekeep AI capabilities. It will eventually be taken from you by force. It's time to open-source everything. Papers, code, weights, financial records. Do all of your research in the open. Run 100% transparent labs so that there's nothing to take from you. Level the playing field for good and bad actors alike, otherwise the bad actors will get their hands on it while everyone else is left behind…

Open Source here is not enough as hardware ownership matters. In an open source world, you and I cannot run the 10 trillion param model, but the data center controllers can.

Sure, but we could have Hetzners and OVHs who just provide the compute for whatever model we want to run.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by zugi »

PostOnce wrote: post #19

My take is that none of the AI companies really care (companies can't care), they just realize that if they go down that road, public opinion will be so vehemently against AI in all forms that it will be regulated out of viability by the electorate. Also, if AI exists, AI will be used for war. The AI company employees are kidding themselves if they think otherwise, and yet they are still building it (as opposed to re…

Anthropic does not object to its use for war. In fact Anthropic explicitly allows its semi-autonomous use in war, e.g. for identifying targets. They just won't permit its use for full autonomous war, yet, because they don't believe it's safe enough.
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