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Palm OS User Interface Guidelines (2003) [pdf]

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Re: Palm OS User Interface Guidelines (2003) [pdf]

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Can you give an example of that? Which applications? Which tasks?

They removed dual-pane splits in the file manager ffs. They replaced gedit with a much less capable text editor. Why are all the buttons so big? Why the padding?

Okay, can't say I've ever used the Gnome file manager, and while I have used gedit I haven't done so for many years and had kind of forgotten it was there.

Re: Palm OS User Interface Guidelines (2003) [pdf]

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I'm assuming/hoping those original guidelines would have prevented the window resizing frustration we have now, along with the other usability downgrades in the support of eyecandy. https://noheger.at/blog/2026/01/11/the-struggle-of-resizing-...

You don't have it "now" unless you didn't upgrade to 26.3. But yes. The only way you can resize windows through System 7 is the resize widget. You cannot grab anywhere else and drag. They couldn't afford the extra chrome pixels, again, on a 512 x 342 screen.

It's still a "known issue" in 26.3 (Though I haven't upgraded to Tahoe at all yet so maybe the release notes are wrong? But everything I've read indicates apple said they fixed it then changed to say they didn't.) https://developer.apple.com/documentation/macos-release-note...

Re: Palm OS User Interface Guidelines (2003) [pdf]

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a container for information related to your system (datetime, battery, networking, along with custom things that 3rd party apps might put in (automated mouse jiggler, chat client etc) think i3bar if you need a unix-style equivalency

Not something I've ever seen (or noticed, at least) or used. There's a clock at the top of the screen in Gnome.

> Not something I've ever seen (or noticed, at least) or used.

It's all the icons next to the clock, placed there by applications that run in the background but need occasional interactivity.

It's the thing at the bottom right of every Windows since Windows 95, and the top right of every Mac since Mac OS X. KDE has always had it in the Windows position. Gnome had it in the Mac position from Gnome 2 (2002) until recently (Gnome 4?).

Something that every desktop OS considers important enough to show, except Gnome, which insists your computer is a bad iPad for some reason.

Re: Palm OS User Interface Guidelines (2003) [pdf]

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I wonder how much of their own guidelines they violated with MacOS Tahoe.

As they should. There are fundamental differences in hardware and capability between 1992 and 2026. The most immediate are pull-down menus at the top of the screen. They work good on a 9 inch screen, they are awful with 27 inch displays. Another related change are modal dialog boxes. When you have a 9 inch screen you're fundamentally looking at one document in one app at a time. When you got 2 27's that's not true an…

There was a study which menus work better, on a screen edge or context menus that appear right under a mouse pointer. One might think that the second kind would win, because they are so close. No, the first kind was faster. Apparently the stability and the fixed location also play a role. People basically just use them almost without looking, while context menus always require a conscious choice.

Re: Palm OS User Interface Guidelines (2003) [pdf]

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Not something I've ever seen (or noticed, at least) or used. There's a clock at the top of the screen in Gnome.

> Not something I've ever seen (or noticed, at least) or used. It's all the icons next to the clock, placed there by applications that run in the background but need occasional interactivity. It's the thing at the bottom right of every Windows since Windows 95, and the top right of every Mac since Mac OS X. KDE has always had it in the Windows position. Gnome had it in the Mac position from Gnome 2 (2002) until recen…

I guess you'd have to have used Windows to miss it then. I don't understand why it would be important.

Why would I care about what the network is doing?

Re: Palm OS User Interface Guidelines (2003) [pdf]

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post #103

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> Not something I've ever seen (or noticed, at least) or used. It's all the icons next to the clock, placed there by applications that run in the background but need occasional interactivity. It's the thing at the bottom right of every Windows since Windows 95, and the top right of every Mac since Mac OS X. KDE has always had it in the Windows position. Gnome had it in the Mac position from Gnome 2 (2002) until recen…

I guess you'd have to have used Windows to miss it then. I don't understand why it would be important. Why would I care about what the network is doing?

The network icon usually contains controls for connecting to and disconnecting from networks, which are obviously useful.

> I guess you'd have to have used Windows to miss it then.

I don't understand what you mean by this. For most of the past 30 years, every major OS had something analogous to a system tray. Win, Mac, KDE, Gnome all had icons next to the clock, that gave access to software running in the background or system functions. Virtually all still do, Gnome (apparently?) does not.

I find it deeply implausible you've never seen or interacted with a system tray.

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I guess you'd have to have used Windows to miss it then. I don't understand why it would be important. Why would I care about what the network is doing?

The network icon usually contains controls for connecting to and disconnecting from networks, which are obviously useful. > I guess you'd have to have used Windows to miss it then. I don't understand what you mean by this. For most of the past 30 years, every major OS had something analogous to a system tray. Win, Mac, KDE, Gnome all had icons next to the clock, that gave access to software running in the background…

Well, I've probably seen it, but it's not really been something I've paid attention to. Except of course maybe the clock, which is present in plain ordinary Gnome whether it has a "system tray" or not.

I don't get why it would be useful.

Re: Palm OS User Interface Guidelines (2003) [pdf]

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The network icon usually contains controls for connecting to and disconnecting from networks, which are obviously useful. > I guess you'd have to have used Windows to miss it then. I don't understand what you mean by this. For most of the past 30 years, every major OS had something analogous to a system tray. Win, Mac, KDE, Gnome all had icons next to the clock, that gave access to software running in the background…

Well, I've probably seen it, but it's not really been something I've paid attention to. Except of course maybe the clock, which is present in plain ordinary Gnome whether it has a "system tray" or not. I don't get why it would be useful.

It's mainly to let you know that theres a program that's running in the background but not open so you can get to it easier. For example, I know a lot of chat clients will live in the system tray so they can show a little dot with your missed messages. Also, VPNs specifically use them to provide easy dropdown menus to change things like server location
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