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Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by skybrian » Mon, Feb 23, 2026, 9:03 PM UTC

some_random wrote: post #89

the__alchemist wrote: post #10

This breakdown in rule of law is unfortunate. Ideally, this would be handled by, in order of desirability: - Flock decision-makers and customers holding ethics as a priority, and not taking the actions they are due to sense of duty, community, morals etc - Peer pressure resulting in ostracization of Flock execs and decision makers until they stop the unethical behavior - Governments using legislation and law enforcem…

Rule of law is long gone, neither party has any interest in it, it's more of a guideline of law now.

Doomer vibes are common, but meanwhile, state and local justice systems continue to prosecute many crimes and crime is on a downward trend [1].

[1] https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/record-low-crime-rates-are-...

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by taurath » Mon, Feb 23, 2026, 9:04 PM UTC

KittenInABox wrote: post #80

Waterluvian wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is not ideal, but it is necessary when the higher-desirability options are not working. What has worried me for years is that Americans would not resort to this level. That things are just too comfortable at home to take that brave step into the firing lines of being on the right side of justice but the wrong side of the law. I'm relieved to see more and more Americans causing necessary trouble. I still think th…

On the contrary I think Americans are reacting about the same as any other set of people would react. There are always going to be people who, as long as their personal lives are stable, they are not going to do anything to put that stability at risk. America is also huge enough that even if one part of the country is having a crisis, millions of fellow citizens will not hear of it or have any 2nd, 3rd or 4th hand co…

Let’s be clear though - it’s not that Americans are clinging to some deep stability that brings them comfort or relaxation, it’s that they’re on the edge already. The vast vast majority of people are barely able to afford the basics of life, while we’re bombarded with an ever more shameless wealthy elite’s privileges.

Politics is like water boiling - it’s just going to be little bubbles at first but all of a sudden it will start to really rumble.

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by dyauspitr » Mon, Feb 23, 2026, 9:05 PM UTC

the__alchemist wrote: post #10

This breakdown in rule of law is unfortunate. Ideally, this would be handled by, in order of desirability: - Flock decision-makers and customers holding ethics as a priority, and not taking the actions they are due to sense of duty, community, morals etc - Peer pressure resulting in ostracization of Flock execs and decision makers until they stop the unethical behavior - Governments using legislation and law enforcem…

I view this breakdown in law similar to the marijuana situation. It’s kind of a villainous administration, green lighting villainous things. The law doesn’t hold water in this case. The people have to do something drastic to get that across.

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by Avshalom » Mon, Feb 23, 2026, 9:05 PM UTC

the__alchemist wrote: post #10

This breakdown in rule of law is unfortunate. Ideally, this would be handled by, in order of desirability: - Flock decision-makers and customers holding ethics as a priority, and not taking the actions they are due to sense of duty, community, morals etc - Peer pressure resulting in ostracization of Flock execs and decision makers until they stop the unethical behavior - Governments using legislation and law enforcem…

Flock would not exist if they held ethics as a priority. It's The Panopticon from the well known book The Panopticon is Unethical

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by squidsoup » Mon, Feb 23, 2026, 9:06 PM UTC

skybrian wrote: post #101

some_random wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rule of law is long gone, neither party has any interest in it, it's more of a guideline of law now.

Doomer vibes are common, but meanwhile, state and local justice systems continue to prosecute many crimes and crime is on a downward trend [1]. [1] https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/record-low-crime-rates-are-...

Prosecuting the working class, sure.

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by tclancy » Mon, Feb 23, 2026, 9:06 PM UTC

Terr_ wrote: post #3

> broken and smashed Flock cameras I wonder how resistant the cameras are to strong handheld lasers. I suppose they could harden them against some common wavelengths with filters, but that'd affect the image clarity in normal use.

Comments in the sub-$200 LiDAR thread suggested those would play merry havoc with a camera too.

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by dyauspitr » Mon, Feb 23, 2026, 9:06 PM UTC

some_random wrote: post #89

the__alchemist wrote: post #10

This breakdown in rule of law is unfortunate. Ideally, this would be handled by, in order of desirability: - Flock decision-makers and customers holding ethics as a priority, and not taking the actions they are due to sense of duty, community, morals etc - Peer pressure resulting in ostracization of Flock execs and decision makers until they stop the unethical behavior - Governments using legislation and law enforcem…

Rule of law is long gone, neither party has any interest in it, it's more of a guideline of law now.

Don’t both sides this. Explicitly point out that the GOP is many orders of magnitude worse.

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by tclancy » Mon, Feb 23, 2026, 9:07 PM UTC

steviedotboston wrote: post #43

This is really bad for all the reasons that people have mentioned (vigilante "justice" never is a good thing) but people have a misplaced understanding of right and wrong here. Flock cameras have helped solve some major crimes, and people will be glad to have this technology around if they are ever a victim.

Always nice to hear from someone completely immune to miscarriages of justice.

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by rambojohnson » Mon, Feb 23, 2026, 9:09 PM UTC

nvesp wrote: post #53

Kind of weird all of those people weren't all up in arms about it before the whole ice thing, why would you be mad that they're tracking somebody else but not mad that they have been slurping up data about your movements and habits this whole time, then monetizing said data by selling it to industries like insurance companies etc.

how is it weird for you exactly? we didn't have masked gestapo thugs before.

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by kakacik » Mon, Feb 23, 2026, 9:09 PM UTC

psadauskas wrote: post #98

wrs wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What confuses me is that no revolution is required. All we had to do to avoid this was to vote. Voting would still (probably) work.

Voting doesn't work as well when there's billions of dollars being spent to influence the votes to make billionaires richer, while the working class that could vote against it is too busy working 3 part time jobs just to survive.

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