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ASML unveils EUV light source advance that could yield 50% more chips by 2030

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Re: ASML unveils EUV light source advance that could yield 50% more chips by 2030

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Post by anon7000 »

EnPissant wrote: post #49
eddyg wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or this video, which came out before Veritasium's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2482h_TNwg

I thought this video was a lot better than the Veritasium video. The Veritasium video was awkward. I think they tried to follow the formula from the (excellent) blue led video that performed so well, but it just didn't work.

Disagree, I thought the Veritasium video was fantastic. You understand how the machine works in depth, the history of its development and challenges it encountered, and hear from people actively working on it. It’s a science lesson and history lesson. Like usual, they keep the video engaging and focused on the story, while still keeping a lot of depth with the science. It’s a great format

Re: ASML unveils EUV light source advance that could yield 50% more chips by 2030

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Post by chakintosh »

eddyg wrote: post #17
et1337 wrote: post #3

This video is a really cool dive into EUV for the uninitiated (me) https://youtu.be/MiUHjLxm3V0?si=kEPSicC2WXYhcQ6L

Or this video, which came out before Veritasium's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2482h_TNwg

> Thanks for mentioning ASML sponsoring this. I was about to buy an EUV machine from another vendor

lol

Re: ASML unveils EUV light source advance that could yield 50% more chips by 2030

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Post by ignoramous »

christkv wrote: post #27
onjectic wrote: post #9

> SAN DIEGO, California > to help retain the Dutch company's edge over emerging U.S. and Chinese rivals Great news, but what a strange attempt to equate the U.S. and China in this and build a narrative. Cymer was founded in San Diego.

I think the Japanese are also working on potentially competing technology

Don't think Rapidus is. Nikon & Canon might be researching alternatives to EUV Lithography but how long is that going to take?

LSTC will contribute research (for 1nm) though it isn't clear if it'll be in partnership with ASML or as competition.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/japan-seeks-revitalize-its-sem...

Re: ASML unveils EUV light source advance that could yield 50% more chips by 2030

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Post by jpfromlondon »

et1337 wrote: post #3

This video is a really cool dive into EUV for the uninitiated (me) https://youtu.be/MiUHjLxm3V0?si=kEPSicC2WXYhcQ6L

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ge2RcvDlgw

Asianometry has lots of videos on ASML, this one is specifically about the light sources.

Re: ASML unveils EUV light source advance that could yield 50% more chips by 2030

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Post by throw0101a »

et1337 wrote: post #3

This video is a really cool dive into EUV for the uninitiated (me) https://youtu.be/MiUHjLxm3V0?si=kEPSicC2WXYhcQ6L

> https://youtu.be/MiUHjLxm3V0

PSA: the si (along with pp) parameter is used for tracking purposes:

    ?si=kEPSicC2WXYhcQ6L
consider cutting whenever possible.

Re: ASML unveils EUV light source advance that could yield 50% more chips by 2030

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Post by mschuster91 »

adrian_b wrote: post #98
mschuster91 wrote: post #87

End result: the AI industry will get 50% more chips, the rest of us plebs will still be waiting for new GPUs to hit the market... It's impressive to see that there still was so much room left to improve EUV, but I can't help but be royally pissed off that it will be a looooong time before we the people see any practical benefit of it.

Yes, and these days both AMD and Intel have announced that their next generation of desktop CPUs, Zen 6 and Nova Lake, which are expected to have very significant improvements over the current CPUs (including much more cores for both and AVX-512 for Intel), have been postponed for next year, instead of being launched this year, as originally planned. This delay is presumably caused by both the lack of production capa…

It's high time for governments to step in and do some Soviet style regulation. This AI shit is getting out of hand, it's not healthy for any economy when one group of actors has so much money that they can buy out entire classes of Things that are vital for any society to be at least somewhat affordable and widespread.

Re: ASML unveils EUV light source advance that could yield 50% more chips by 2030

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Post by itishappy »

newswasboring wrote: post #99
itishappy wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100%. EUV barely works. XRay litho takes all the issues with EUV and cranks them up to 11. It will take comparable effort to EUV, if not more, to get XRay litho up and running, and I'm not aware of anyone approaching this to anywhere near the level of investment that ASML (and others) have pumped into developing EUV tech. We may get there eventually as a species, but we're a ways off.

If you think it barely works now, you should've seen it when we first started. Availability of a machine was "fuck you"% and the whole system was held together by duct tape, bubblegum and hope. Compared to that the current system is entirely controllable.

Oh, for sure, via herculean effort and investment we have created ourselves a functioning and economical process!

We do actually have functioning processes for XRay litho today, but we'll need that same level (or more) of investment and effort to make it economical.

Re: ASML unveils EUV light source advance that could yield 50% more chips by 2030

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Post by zvqcMMV6Zcr »

apexalpha wrote: post #93
et1337 wrote: post #3

This video is a really cool dive into EUV for the uninitiated (me) https://youtu.be/MiUHjLxm3V0?si=kEPSicC2WXYhcQ6L

One of those odd moments where a YouTube title looks like clickbait but is actually, factually correct. +1 for this video, and the Branch education one. Well done to both teams.

As shown with that terrible speed of electricity video, Veritasium prefers "technically correct" over factually correct.

Re: ASML unveils EUV light source advance that could yield 50% more chips by 2030

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Post by sand500 »

eddyg wrote: post #17
et1337 wrote: post #3

This video is a really cool dive into EUV for the uninitiated (me) https://youtu.be/MiUHjLxm3V0?si=kEPSicC2WXYhcQ6L

Or this video, which came out before Veritasium's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2482h_TNwg

Or this Asianometry video which came out even sooner.

https://youtu.be/MXnrzS3aGeM

Re: ASML unveils EUV light source advance that could yield 50% more chips by 2030

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Post by Hikikomori »

avs733 wrote: post #69
dylan604 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I didn't want my name associated with this on the internet"

I didn’t, still don’t, but that’s a lost cause. I’ll note that this video is way out of date…both in content and my skills as a speaker :P

Thanks for your presentation, watched ut several times over the years. If your presentation skills are better now hopefully you csn make a new one.
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