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AI is not a coworker, it's an exoskeleton

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Re: AI is not a coworker, it's an exoskeleton

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Post by famouswaffles »

emp17344 wrote: post #75
runarberg wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, I may be missing something here. These benchmarks are gathered by having models play each other, and the second illegal move forfeits the game. This seems like a flawed method as the models who are more prone to illegal moves are going to bump the ratings of the models who are less likely. Additionally, how do we know the model isn’t benchmaxxed to eliminate illegal moves. For example, here is the list of games…

That’s a devastating benchmark design flaw. Sick of these bullshit benchmarks designed solely to hype AI. AI boosters turn around and use them as ammo, despite not understanding them.

Relax. Anyone who's genuinely interested in the question will see with a few searches that LLMs can play chess fine, although the post-trained models mostly seem to be regressed. Problem is people are more interested in validating their own assumptions than anything else.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2403.15498

https://arxiv.org/abs/2501.17186

https://github.com/adamkarvonen/chess_gpt_eval

Re: AI is not a coworker, it's an exoskeleton

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Post by qudat »

random3 wrote: post #97

I'll guess we'll se a lot of analogies and have to get used to it, although most will be off. AI can be an exoskeleton. It can be a co-worker and it can also replace you and your whole team. The "Office Space"-question is what are you particularly within an organization and concretely when you'll become the bottleneck, preventing your "exoskeleton" for efficiently doing its job independently. There's no other questio…

> It can be a co-worker and it can also replace you and your whole team.

You drank the koolaide m8. It fundamentally cannot replace a single SWE and never will without fundamental changes to the model construction. If there is displacement, it’ll be short lived when the hype doesn’t match reality.

Go take a gander at openclaws codebase and feel at-ease with your job security.

I have seen zero evidence that the frontier model companies are innovating. All I see is full steam ahead on scaling what exists, but correct me if I’m wrong.

Re: AI is not a coworker, it's an exoskeleton

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Post by mylifeandtimes »

m_ke wrote: post #4

It's the new underpaid employee that you're training to replace you. People need to understand that we have the technology to train models to do anything that you can do on a computer, only thing that's missing is the data. If you can record a human doing anything on a computer, we'll soon have a way to automate it

> the new underpaid employee that you're training to replace you.

and who is also compiling a detailed log of your every action (and inaction) into a searchable data store -- which will certainly never, NEVER be used against you

Re: AI is not a coworker, it's an exoskeleton

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Post by Bombthecat »

datakazkn wrote: post #88

The exoskeleton framing resonates, especially for repetitive data work. Parts where AI consistently delivers: pattern recognition, format normalization, first-draft generation. Parts where human judgment is still irreplaceable: knowing when the data is wrong, deciding what 'correct' even means in context, and knowing when to stop iterating. The exoskeleton doesn't replace instinct. It just removes friction from execu…

And your muscles degrade, a pretty good analogy

Re: AI is not a coworker, it's an exoskeleton

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Post by famouswaffles »

runarberg wrote: post #98
emp17344 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a devastating benchmark design flaw. Sick of these bullshit benchmarks designed solely to hype AI. AI boosters turn around and use them as ammo, despite not understanding them.

I like this game between grok-4.1-fast and maia-1100 (engine, not LLM). https://chessbenchllm.onrender.com/game/37d0d260-d63b-4e41-9... This exact game has been played 60 thousand times on lichess. The peace sacrifice Grok performed on move 6 has been played 5 million times on lichess. Every single move Grok made is also the top played move on lichess. This reminds me of Stefan Zweig’s The Royal Game where the protag…

The LLMs that can play chess, i.e not make an illegal move every game do not play it simply by memorized plays.

Re: AI is not a coworker, it's an exoskeleton

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Post by gtCameron »

TrianguloY wrote: post #93

I like this analogy, and in fact in have used it for a totally different reason: why I don't like AI. Imagine someone going to a local gym and using an exosqueleton to do the exercises without effort. Able to lift more? Yes. Run faster? Sure. Exercising and enjoying the gym? ... No, and probably not. I like writing code, even if it's boilerplate. It's fun for me, and I want to keep doing it. Using AI to do that part…

We've all been raised in a world where we got to practice the 'art' of programming, and get paid extraordinarily well to do so, because the output of that art was useful for businesses to make more money.

If a programmer with an exoskeleton can produce more output that makes more money for the business, they will continue to be paid well. Those who refuse the exoskeleton because they are in it for the pure art will most likely trend towards earning the types of living that artists and musicians do today. The truly extraordinary will be able to create things that the machines can't and will be in high demand, the other 99% will be pursing an art no one is interested in paying top dollar for.

Re: AI is not a coworker, it's an exoskeleton

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Post by slopinthebag »

cogman10 wrote: post #99
slopinthebag wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I expect something like this will happen to some degree, although not to the extent of what happened with computers. But the point is that we didn't just lose all of those jobs.

Right, and my point is that specific jobs, like the job of a dev, were eliminate or significantly curtailed. New jobs may be waiting for us on the other side of this, but my job, the job of a dev, is specifically under threat with no guarantee that the experience I gained as a dev will translate into a new market.

I think as a dev if you're just gluing API's together or something akin to that, similar to the office jobs that got replaced, you might be in trouble, but tbh we should have automated that stuff before we got AI. It's kind of a shame it may be automated by something not deterministic tho.

But like, if we're talking about all dev jobs being replaced then we're also talking about most if not all knowledge work being automated, which would probably result in a fundamental restructuring of society. I don't see that happening anytime soon, and if it does happen it's probably impossible to predict or prepare for anyways. Besides maybe storing rations and purchasing property in the wilderness just in case.

Re: AI is not a coworker, it's an exoskeleton

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Post by gtowey »

agumonkey wrote: post #64
m_ke wrote: post #4

It's the new underpaid employee that you're training to replace you. People need to understand that we have the technology to train models to do anything that you can do on a computer, only thing that's missing is the data. If you can record a human doing anything on a computer, we'll soon have a way to automate it

It's a strange economical morbid dependency. AI companies promises incredible things but AI agents cannot produce it themselves, they need to eat you slowly first.

Perfect analogy for capitalism.
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