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IRS lost 40% of IT staff, 80% of tech leaders in 'efficiency' shakeup

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People have literally started revolutions and wars over taxes. Empires have fallen because of taxes. People are often emotional and don't even want to think logically about taxes. I suspect that it's been like this since taxes were invented :-)

Re: IRS lost 40% of IT staff, 80% of tech leaders in 'efficiency' shakeup

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8,500 IT workers in the IRS is insane. They barely have any products, and they contract externally for so much other work

They built IRS Direct File which was a huge improvement. Then the administration killed it to serve tax prep companies.

Already could file free with free tax usa.

Not that impressive.

I'd be more impressed we got rid of income tax on salaried people entirely, or permit families the same type of deductions that businesses get, and only tax my actual profit - I can't deduct my overpriced housing, or my utilities unless I have a home office for ny own business.

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Of course they're not, but this is how you smell someone that doesn't really want to enforce paying taxes, but just wants to evade them as much as possible. How quickly people show their colors.

I don't think that's fair. The US has so many administrative layers with taxing powers - federal, state, county, and municipal, and in many cases administrative bodies also charge massive filing fees, and courts charge large fees to finance themselves because they're consistently under-funded by legislatures. So Americans get taxed a lot at many different levels of activity. The cognitive load of having so many diffe…

> maybe we should change that and have a simpler system with much less complexity

Wholeheartedly agree, but I see the root cause of the issue being income tax itself. As soon as you tax income, you'll go down and endless rabbit hole of what's fair to tax, how much, what kind of income, investment income vs wage income, percentage vs flat rate, etc...

That gave us the mess we have.

I like the idea of consumption tax exclusively (would require an amendment). You're taxed on your purchases.

It's easy to drive behavior (more tax on some things... tax on cigarettes, yachts and private jets) and easy to make more fair (exclude grocery staples).

Re: IRS lost 40% of IT staff, 80% of tech leaders in 'efficiency' shakeup

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> Get rid of sales tax, property tax, exemptions, IRAs, 401ks, short capital gains, long capital gains, medicare, state, all of that bullcrap. Annualized, non-annualized, credits for having an EV on the 4th day of the second Tuesday while being a fisherman, married and single filing differences, end all of that. I agree with your overall point of simplifying taxes by merging more things into income tax, but some of t…

> The United States has a federal system That doesn't prevent there being a single point of collection and distribution.

By definition, a federal system does prevent a single point of collection and distribution. If states could not or did not collect taxes on their own authority, it would not be a federal system. States would just be adjuncts of a national government.

Re: IRS lost 40% of IT staff, 80% of tech leaders in 'efficiency' shakeup

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The public sector is where you need 12 people (and a project manager) to build an Access database.

And the private sector is how the US has arrived at a miserable, unworkable healthcare system and an out of control carceral system.

Today's Health insurance and health care is entirely a product of government intervention on multiple layers.

Health insurance being tied to employment benefits is because the IRS taxes money, but not benefits, for example.

Re: IRS lost 40% of IT staff, 80% of tech leaders in 'efficiency' shakeup

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I started a new LLC in December and applied for an EIN (company taxpayer ID, required for doing essentially anything else, like opening a bank account). Normally this is done online and takes two minutes. This time the online process failed and I had to fax the form in. Six weeks later, they faxed back the number.

To be clear: when it failed, I just got an error code and was told to fax in the paper form. Which contains exactly the same information I had just typed into the website.

I don’t think the IRS needs fewer tech people.

Re: IRS lost 40% of IT staff, 80% of tech leaders in 'efficiency' shakeup

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It's not "going after" the poor. You have to be out-right negligent to end up with any penalty at all, and the penalties involved are relatively small (20% of how much extra you owed them anyway). The vast majority of these low-income audits consist of "hey, we know you made money X, you didn't report it on your taxes. Fix it".

‘We know you’re trying to survive in your low income, but we want to extract more money from you so the billionaires don’t have to pay as much tax’

I make above median wage in the US and pay like 13% income tax on average.

Poor people pay very little income tax, as is the entire point of a progressive set of tax brackets and a large standard deduction.

It is trivial to not do your taxes wrong if you have legal employment. If you for some reason doubt your ability to do a couple calculations and copy over 6 numbers to a simple form, Turbotax will do that "hard work" for you for $30.

Even using Turbotax, I once failed to report a W2 (because I technically had more than one job) and the "penalty" was a letter that said "Hi, you missed this, we fixed it, give us $270 + $1 interest", which I never responded to because I am disordered, so they took my state income tax return.

No court. No threat. No serious penalty. I didn't even have to talk to anyone.

If we are talking about poor people, who by definition have minimal income, how do you think they supposedly would get hit by some giant IRS penalty? What is the magical pathway?

Re: IRS lost 40% of IT staff, 80% of tech leaders in 'efficiency' shakeup

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> Get rid of sales tax, property tax, exemptions, IRAs, 401ks, short capital gains, long capital gains, medicare, state, all of that bullcrap. Annualized, non-annualized, credits for having an EV on the 4th day of the second Tuesday while being a fisherman, married and single filing differences, end all of that. I agree with your overall point of simplifying taxes by merging more things into income tax, but some of t…

> The United States has a federal system That doesn't prevent there being a single point of collection and distribution.

It literally does, this is one of defining differences of a federal system, that the states have a right to set and collect taxes.

Re: IRS lost 40% of IT staff, 80% of tech leaders in 'efficiency' shakeup

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> Get rid of sales tax, property tax, exemptions, IRAs, 401ks, short capital gains, long capital gains, medicare, state, all of that bullcrap. Annualized, non-annualized, credits for having an EV on the 4th day of the second Tuesday while being a fisherman, married and single filing differences, end all of that. I agree with your overall point of simplifying taxes by merging more things into income tax, but some of t…

I... don't understand how that excuses complexity?

what stops "local governments" from applying same type of tax as higher levels? why would they need taxes specific for them?

Re: IRS lost 40% of IT staff, 80% of tech leaders in 'efficiency' shakeup

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I'm starting to realize that an LLM isn't gonna take my job, but it's beginning to make the job aggravating enough to quit anyhow. So many managers have decided they're going to have an AI Miracle and aren't interested in hearing otherwise, no matter what staff tells them.

Everyday I am more and more pleased with our company's (or at least our company's tech department) to effectively ban AI.

My manager thinks if we give it a year or two, no one will write code by hand anymore, we will just generate everything from specifications in English.
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