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South Korean ex president Yoon Suk Yeol jailed for life for leading insurrection

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Re: South Korean ex president Yoon Suk Yeol jailed for life for leading insurrection

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post #32

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It's been ~10 years. Everything has been hashed and rehashed to death. America knew exactly who he was on day 1. He came down the stairs calling Mexicans rapists.

No, he called some Mexican migrants into the US rapists. Trump has done plenty of real things that are worthy of criticism. Calling Mexicans in general rapists is not something he did.

No. His full quote:

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

This statement first asserted that mexico was deliberately exporting its people to the US (as opposed to people deciding to come of their own accord) and then generalized that they were importing social problems, before making a concession that some of them might not be.

This would be like if I said your HN posts consisted of lies, propaganda, and invective but that I assume some of them were worth reading. I doubt you'd feel the little conciliatory bit at the end balanced out the unfair allegations that preceded it.

Re: South Korean ex president Yoon Suk Yeol jailed for life for leading insurrection

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post #78
post #61

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Just to be clear, ordering a violent mob thousands strong to march on the capitol and "fight like hell" to interfere with the peaceful transition of power is also what a real insurrection attempt looks like.

Innocent until proven guilty.

First off, the majority of them were found guilty in court - https://web.archive.org/web/20240108135705/https://www.justi...

Also, for the rest of them that accepted a pardon, that also necessities an admission of guilt - https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/236/79/#89-90

So yes, they were guilty of insurrection even if they escaped punishment.

Re: South Korean ex president Yoon Suk Yeol jailed for life for leading insurrection

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post #81
post #78

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Innocent until proven guilty.

Legally, yes. But everything was well-documented and publicized. As sentient creatures we can use our own eyes, ears, and judgement to come to our own conclusions in advance or lieu of a formal court ruling.

I suggest you re-read the Constitution. The First Amendment protects people from any negative repercussions whatsoever resulting from their free exercise of certain kinds of speech.

Re: South Korean ex president Yoon Suk Yeol jailed for life for leading insurrection

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post #70

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The King has made it very clear that he was entirely unhappy with Andrew's involvement for years, but had Andrew done the right thing and entirely disappeared from public life he might have retained a degree of protection. He didn't and so he had everything stripped away which sent a very clear message to Government and the police that he was there for the taking.

The 'firm' protects itself ruthlessly. Andrew was too exposed in a too public scandal, they had not alternative but to cut him loose to protect themselves and the monarchy. Governor of the Bahamas was not an option...

"the firm" protects the people realistically in the line of succession. There's a reason harry lives in America these days.

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#105
post #61

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Just to be clear, ordering a violent mob thousands strong to march on the capitol and "fight like hell" to interfere with the peaceful transition of power is also what a real insurrection attempt looks like.

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Yeah! Like if we all just agree to pretend the one statement in isolation was the entire event he looks pretty reasonable!

Why do people keep pointing out that months of lying about electoral fraud may have encouraged people to take some extreme actions? SMH, that's not what he said on the day! Well, at least not on that day within the few second window of what I'd like you to consider!

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Curious where in the world this happens (holding officials accountable for violating public trust). It certainly doesn't happen in the United States.

Israel sent a former prime minister to prison. Ukraine has had many an anti-corruption sweep ever since the Russians invaded. France denied le Pen electability due to misappropriating EU funds.

I'm fairly certain that in the cases you mentioned, the people doing the jailing / penalizing are also guilty of crimes and at the very least, violating public trust. Seems to me like more tit for tat politicking.

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post #103
post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Legally, yes. But everything was well-documented and publicized. As sentient creatures we can use our own eyes, ears, and judgement to come to our own conclusions in advance or lieu of a formal court ruling.

I suggest you re-read the Constitution. The First Amendment protects people from any negative repercussions whatsoever resulting from their free exercise of certain kinds of speech.

This is such an absolutely wild and demonstrably incorrect interpretation, I can only assume it's satire

Re: South Korean ex president Yoon Suk Yeol jailed for life for leading insurrection

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post #3

This is the correct way to handle a former president who tries to mount an anti-democratic insurrection.

I would also say that this is the correct way to handle a former president that was elected as the result of a rigged election.

Re: South Korean ex president Yoon Suk Yeol jailed for life for leading insurrection

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post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suggest you re-read the Constitution. The First Amendment protects people from any negative repercussions whatsoever resulting from their free exercise of certain kinds of speech.

This is such an absolutely wild and demonstrably incorrect interpretation, I can only assume it's satire

I forgot that satire was dead.

Re: South Korean ex president Yoon Suk Yeol jailed for life for leading insurrection

#110
post #103
post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Legally, yes. But everything was well-documented and publicized. As sentient creatures we can use our own eyes, ears, and judgement to come to our own conclusions in advance or lieu of a formal court ruling.

I suggest you re-read the Constitution. The First Amendment protects people from any negative repercussions whatsoever resulting from their free exercise of certain kinds of speech.

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