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Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

#101

I'm a bit surprised it gets this question wrong (ChatGPT gets it right, even on instant). All the pre-reasoning models failed this question, but it's seemed solved since o1, and Sonnet 4.5 got it right. https://claude.ai/share/876e160a-7483-4788-8112-0bb4490192af This was sonnet 4.6 with extended thinking.

Off-by-one errors are one of the hardest problems in computer science.

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

#102

I’m voting with my dollars by having cancelled my ChatGPT subscription and instead subscribing to Claude. Google needs stiff competition and OpenAI isn’t the camp I’m willing to trust. Neither is Grok. I’m glad Anthropic’s work is at the forefront and they appear, at least in my estimation, to have the strongest ethics.

Which plan did you choose? I am subscribed to both and would love to stick with Claude only, but Claude's usage limits are so tiny compared to ChatGPT's that it often feels like a rip-off.

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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It's wild that Sonnet 4.6 is roughly as capable as Opus 4.5 - at least according to Anthropic's benchmarks. It will be interesting to see if that's the case in real, practical, everyday use. The speed at which this stuff is improving is really remarkable; it feels like the breakneck pace of compute performance improvements of the 1990s.

> The speed at which this stuff is improving is really remarkable; it feels like the breakneck pace of compute performance improvements of the 1990s. Yeah, but RAM prices are also back to 1990s levels.

I knew I've been keeping all my old ram sticks for a reason!

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

#104
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, the model is merely repeating the patterns it saw in its brutal safety training at Anthropic. They put models under stress test and RLHF the hell out of them. Of course the model would learn what the less penalized paths require it to do. Anthropic has a tendency to exaggerate the results of their (arguably scientific) research; IDK what they gain from this fearmongering.

I'd challenge that if you think they're fearmongering but don't see what they can gain from it (I agree it shows no obvious benefit for them), there's a pretty high probability they're not fearmongering.

I know why they do it, that was a rhetorical question!

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

#105
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My take away is: it's roughly as good as Opus 4.5. Now the question is: how much faster or cheaper is it?

40% cheaper: https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/about-claude/pricing

How does it work exactly? How this model is cheaper and has the same perf as Opus 4.5?

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

#107
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are language models, not Skynet. They do not scheme or deceive.

Even very young children with very simple thought processes, almost no language capability, little long term planning, and minimal ability to form long-term memory actively deceive people. They will attack other children who take their toys and try to avoid blame through deception. It happens constantly. LLMs are certainly capable of this.

I agree that LLMs are capable of this, but there's no reason that "because young children can do X, LLMs can 'certainly' do X"

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

#108

The weirdest thing about this AI revolution is how smooth and continuous it is. If you look closely at differences between 4.6 and 4.5, it’s hard to see the subtle details. A year ago today, Sonnet 3.5 (new), was the newest model. A week later, Sonnet 3.7 would be released. Even 3.7 feels like ancient history! But in the gradient of 3.5 to 3.5 (new) to 3.7 to 4 to 4.1 to 4.5, I can’t think of one moment where I saw e…

In terms of real work, it was the 4 series models. That raised the floor of Sonnet high enough to be "reliable" for common tasks and Opus 4 was capable of handling some hard problems. It still had a big reward hacking/deception problem that Codex models don't display so much, but with Opus 4.5+ it's fairly reliable.

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

#110
It seems that extra-usage is required to use the 1M context window for Sonnet 4.6. This differs from Sonnet 4.5, which allows usage of the 1M context window with a Max plan.

```

/model claude-sonnet-4-6[1m]

⎿ API error: 429 {"type":"error","error": {"type":"rate_limit_error","message":"Extra usage is required for long context requests."},"request_id":"[redacted]"}

```

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