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Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Now that it’s targeting dems, maybe can get some bipartisan support to limit government power here.

That'll never work; what works is building un-censorable platforms, that cannot be banned in the same way it's impossible to ban torrents no matter how hard they try.

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post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Forcing companies to add backdoors in secret is We have precedent: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-... Apple has since confirmed in a statement provided to Ars that the US federal government “prohibited” the company “from sharing any information,”

"secretly sharing notification data" (ie. asking for records kept in the usual course of business[1]) is not the same as "forcing companies to add backdoors in secret" [1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/1732

Thinking something is "unprecedented" is not an argument against it happening. Apple has surprised us before, I see no reason to expect ADP is any different.

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This kind of reductionist pithy comparison needs to stay on Reddit. Sure stuff is messed up here, but there are very real differences in both the degree and breadth of government abuse of power when you compare with China.

Care to elaborate?

As an American, I can freely oppose the current regime. I routinely say, both online and in real life under my government name, that Donald Trump and his cronies are criminals, that everyone should work hard to stop them from achieving their goals and ideally they should all get life sentences once we throw them out of office. I’ll never face legal or even professional consequences for saying this, and even within the most authoritarian regime in generations few officials argue that I should.

Unless I’ve been severely misinformed, someone saying similar things about Xi Jinping on a Chinese tech forum would be swiftly banned and likely arrested.

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post #60

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They know what they are doing. To survive as a large entity during this administration you have to kiss the ring. If you don't, you'll get targeted for being 'woke' or whatever. In fact, kissing Trump's ass is more important for success than actually making a good product at this point. I definitely don't think what these CEOs are doing is moral, but it's certainly rational.

This is unacceptable behavior, and terrible that anyone would think this way. You're telling me that if Tim Cook wasn't getting on his knees every couple of weeks Apple would end? That's farcical.

> You're telling me that if Tim Cook wasn't getting on his knees every couple of weeks Apple would end? That's farcical.

I think that a 30%, 64% or 145% tax on Chinese imports would be a huge blow for a $400 billion business importing Chinese-made phones.

And Trump can impose such taxes (and grant exemptions from them) at will, apparently.

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At this point I think the biggest tangible difference between China and the US is that one country has high speed trains and affordable health care and the other has neither.

No one's murdering innocent citizens on the streets of China

This is an especially hilarious comment given what happened in June 1989 [1].

It's the prototypical example of authoritarian crackdowns and mass slaughter of innocent protestors.

Discussion or even mention of it is still forbidden in China.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests...

Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Of course they do. We gave the DHS (and any other government agency) far too much power and they flex it. We have so many agencies that can regulate businesses to death without any congressional intervention that it would be beyond idiotic to stand against them. Not to mention that it's been proven again and again that the American populations attention span is far too short to do anything meaningful about the aforem…

They also usually cooperate with government around the world. The "must abide by their laws thing"

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Was it ever?

The British Government believes it to be secure. That’s why they were asking for a back door.

While they did did get a backdoor they did get Apple to withdraw the product from the UK so it no longer impedes mass suveillance.

Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

#110
post #3

I thought Republicans were for small government and were anti-censorship.

They're for small government and anti-censorship in the same way they are for "secure elections". An election is secure when they win. It's fraudulent when they lose.

Republicans today are far-right extremists straight out of an authoritarian regime, operating within the friend-enemy mode of politics ("everything for my friends, the law for my enemies"). And the project is to preserve this hierarchy with themselves at the top.

https://www.theunpopulist.net/p/your-comprehensive-guide-to-...

> The far right is animated by the revolutionary project of reconfiguring society along the exclusionary or hierarchical lines patterned after a “divine” or “natural” order. Far-right figures envision societies organized through hierarchies—whether racial, ethnic, religious, or ideological. They aspire to deploy state power to defend the “true people” (sometimes called the Volk), who often already occupy the top rungs of society, from a constellation of perceived enemies or from relative or outright disempowerment. The far-right ideal is a homogeneous society, and that ideal is diametrically opposed to a liberal, pluralistic order. The far right believes that liberal pluralism represents a dangerous and unprecedented upheaval of the natural order. The far right blames most or all social problems on that upheaval—that is, on liberalism. Instead of seeing social order as emerging from the interactions of many diverse persons and groups cooperating in a polycentric system, the far right believes a homogeneous order must be imposed—and imposed in a holistic fashion, incorporating all forms of social interaction, from the structure of the nation-state to the most intimate relationships in the home.

> The far right’s commitment to freedom extends only to the “true people,” whose values align with far-right goals. This is an exclusionary conception of freedom, entirely contraposed to a neutral rule of law. Generally for the far right, discussion and deliberation are denigrated in favor of authoritarianism and “decisive action,” although the far right will also frequently invoke values like “freedom of speech” to exert pressure on discourse communities to welcome its ideas and rhetoric (see Why do far-right groups often talk about “freedom”?).

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