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Re: Good Riddance, 4o

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Post by rtkwe »

co_king_3 wrote: post #66
rtkwe wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they say as much in the blog post, essentially "we were tuning for use but way over shot the mark and now people are dating out model".

I don't believe them.

They've definitely acted like it so I'm not sure what else I can give you. Look at the GPT5 reactions to poeple trying to continue their 'relationships' after the forced upgrade: https://www.reddit.com/r/MyBoyfriendIsAI/comments/1qx3jux/wh...

That's an actively harsh response, pushing these people away from the idea GPT is in a relationship with them. So even if the initial tune was meant to increase the attach and retention rate their actions show they don't like the way it turned out to influence people who were using it as a friend/lover bot.

Re: Good Riddance, 4o

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Post by pixl97 »

KronisLV wrote: post #19

I wonder how much of this is actually commentary on how easy it is to chat with AI whenever you want, how much of it is commentary on how hard it can be to both be sociable and to also succeed socially and make friends, and what it might mean that an AI is more attractive and easier to “befriend” or “be in a relationship with” than an actual person, both in regards to the qualities of the AI and those of the people i…

>on how hard it can be to both be sociable

I won't say it's hard, I will say it requires attention.

The problem is we live in a capitalistic society that believes capturing your attention in order to sell it is the number one priority of any business.

This really isn't human versus AI, it's humans versus FAANG/social media/ads/TV.

Re: Good Riddance, 4o

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Post by pixl97 »

ajkjk wrote: post #81

What does it look like where some intentional effort is made by society to help people like this get what they are using these models to get, but in a healthy way? That is: how does society reconfigure itself so that people do not end up so lonely and desperate that an AI model solves a emotional problem which is hopelessly unsolved otherwise? It is not "they go to therapy" because that's cheating; that answers the q…

> how does society reconfigure itself so that people do not end up so lonely

The answer no one wants to hear on HN is get rid of capitalism as it is currently.

You, ajkjk, are a product. When you are not working I need you to be looking at a screen full of ads and clicking on things. Don't worry, you won't have anything else to do because everyone else is also doing the same. If your doing things with friends and spending your attention on them, you're not spending your attention on my latest product, and that's pretty anti-capitalist of you. Thinking about going to the bar, you can't afford it, VC bought up all the property and bars and raised the price 400%. Trying to find some other 3rd place to hang out at? Don't exist, nobody can afford people that show up and don't spend anything.

We have designed modern society to push us toward an AI that can give us our undivided attention because everyone else is so busy doing nothing they don't have time for friends.

Re: Good Riddance, 4o

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Post by throwaway314155 »

satvikpendem wrote: post #92
idle_zealot wrote: post #90

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This immediately devolves into "how do I know that other humans aren't philosophical zombies?" I take the "know it when I see it" approach, and LLMs don't reach that bar. They clearly do reach that bar for some people. In the context of the movie though it is supposed to be understood that the computers are self-aware and have internal worlds. They're treated as characters in the language of storytelling.

Yeah I'm just not convinced the ones in the movie are any more complex than our current ones, just more well harnessed, pun intended, as the harness and tooling around the LLM dictates a lot of its abilities, for example [0]. I don't believe the ones in the movie have any actual form of consciousness as humans would understand it. And as far as (simulacra of) internal models, seems like LLMs have that today too, as a…

It’s obvious from the subtext and the point that the movie is trying to make. The metaphor is that sometimes you fall in love with someone who outgrows you. I believe they even originally had a more “robotic” voice actor but changed it to Scarlett in order to make it crystal clear that she is as sentient as, if not more so, than Theodore is.

Re: Good Riddance, 4o

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Post by tptacek »

pixl97 wrote: post #103
ajkjk wrote: post #81

What does it look like where some intentional effort is made by society to help people like this get what they are using these models to get, but in a healthy way? That is: how does society reconfigure itself so that people do not end up so lonely and desperate that an AI model solves a emotional problem which is hopelessly unsolved otherwise? It is not "they go to therapy" because that's cheating; that answers the q…

> how does society reconfigure itself so that people do not end up so lonely The answer no one wants to hear on HN is get rid of capitalism as it is currently. You, ajkjk, are a product. When you are not working I need you to be looking at a screen full of ads and clicking on things. Don't worry, you won't have anything else to do because everyone else is also doing the same. If your doing things with friends and spe…

You can answer any public policy question, any of them at all, by saying "It's simple; first we create a utopia, and then...".

Re: Good Riddance, 4o

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Post by ajkjk »

pixl97 wrote: post #103
ajkjk wrote: post #81

What does it look like where some intentional effort is made by society to help people like this get what they are using these models to get, but in a healthy way? That is: how does society reconfigure itself so that people do not end up so lonely and desperate that an AI model solves a emotional problem which is hopelessly unsolved otherwise? It is not "they go to therapy" because that's cheating; that answers the q…

> how does society reconfigure itself so that people do not end up so lonely The answer no one wants to hear on HN is get rid of capitalism as it is currently. You, ajkjk, are a product. When you are not working I need you to be looking at a screen full of ads and clicking on things. Don't worry, you won't have anything else to do because everyone else is also doing the same. If your doing things with friends and spe…

i don't disagree with the gist of your revolutionary sentiment, but let me remind you that (a) you don't know anything about me, and (b) what you described is a complaint, not an idea.

Re: Good Riddance, 4o

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Post by kelseyfrog »

fullmoon wrote: post #98
kelseyfrog wrote: post #36

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It really does give a lot of signal[1] to people in the dating scene: validate and enthusiastically respond to potential romantic partners and the world is your oyster. 1. possibly/probably not in a good or healthy way? idk

Enthusiastically matching the energy of an anxiously attached partner is a rite of passage many would rather not have walked.

That's a pretty fair point to what might explain why AI relationships are so appealing to some people.

I'd be a fun observational study to survey folks in AI relations and see if anxious attachments are over-represented.

Re: Good Riddance, 4o

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Post by pixl97 »

tptacek wrote: post #105
pixl97 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> how does society reconfigure itself so that people do not end up so lonely The answer no one wants to hear on HN is get rid of capitalism as it is currently. You, ajkjk, are a product. When you are not working I need you to be looking at a screen full of ads and clicking on things. Don't worry, you won't have anything else to do because everyone else is also doing the same. If your doing things with friends and spe…

You can answer any public policy question, any of them at all, by saying "It's simple; first we create a utopia, and then...".

I didn't state we create a utopia, I just pointed out what our current dystopia looks like.

Re: Good Riddance, 4o

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Post by Bratmon »

bee_rider wrote: post #9
oidar wrote: post #2

Here's the related subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MyBoyfriendIsAI/

Well. Huh. Without regard to whether or not it was basically healthy to get that emotionally dependent on the bot… you’d think that if they could manipulate people into being so attached to the things, they’d also be able to manipulate people into accepting the end of the situation.

> you’d think that if they could manipulate people into being so attached to the things, they’d also be able to manipulate people into accepting the end of the situation.

That seems like a very unlikely conclusion to me. Why is it your prior?

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