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Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by robotresearcher »

goosejuice wrote: post #77
seemaze wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A cursory search of the web shows that TCO for EVs in the US is higher than ICE for all but high mileage commuters. Wish it wasn't the case, but insurance alone is a 30% premium.

Model 3 TCO is very competitive for all sedans. But yes, there are a lot of luxury EVs and EVs with questionable reliability. https://www.self.inc/info/expensive-cars-to-run/ https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-maintenance/the-cos...

Insurance is a bear for Teslas. They cost a lot to repair.

The Model 3 Highland is super fun to drive. Maybe other EVs have this too. It's a very different experience to a similarly priced ICE car, and worth factoring in to the value proposition.

I specify Highland because the previous version was rattly and noisy enough to seriously detract from the zippy driving experience. Highland is nice.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by greesil »

iambateman wrote: post #8

The R2 was the first time I seriously thought about spending up on a vehicle. It looks good. But $45k++ is just wild to me. It seems like the market is undervaluing used EV’s, so hopefully the depreciation curve will bring these down to $30k in a couple years for us old-school folks who prefer not to have a $1000/mo car loan.

You can get a used EV for pretty cheap these days

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by dmitrygr »

"No CarPlay" is approximately where I stopped reading -- and I am literally their dream target audience - enough money to buy a second car, easily able to afford one of theirs, have solar on top of my house making my electricity cheap, like techy things.

They will either learn or ... not, I guess. I know I am not the only one. Nobody in my family would buy anything techy without my advice (and a modern EV is basically an iPad on wheels, so it qualifies as techy), and I will never ever give "yes" to a car without CarPlay

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by [deleted] »

Lammy wrote: post #59
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is a car-debt crisis To what degree is this caused by car prices versus Americans' compulsion to keep buying new cars? Anecdotally, the folks I know struggling with car payments are almost exclusively in the latter bucket. But I'm open to having my mind changed with data.

If people didn't buy new cars there would never be used cars.

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Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by Onavo »

plugger wrote: post #94

I feel quite bad for people living in the United States. Despite the constant refrain about freedom y'all are actually pretty hindered when it comes to reasonably priced EVs. On Saturday I put a down on a BYD Shark 6 truck. Hopefully I'll collect it Friday, if not early next week. I'm paying $41,200 USD for the thing brand new. I saw a MotorTrend review of it last week, they flew down to Mexico City to test one out.…

It's funny that the software engineers on this forum are all obsessed with building scalable systems that can provide a service at the lowest cost but when it comes to manufacturing all of a sudden it's "we must protect jerbs".

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by tempestn »

freetime2 wrote: post #60

Looks like a great car. As Marques Brownlee puts it [1], this is Rivian's "Model Y fighter". And I personally find the R2 to be much more appealing than a Model Y in terms of size, shape, and interior. But we have been misled so many times about EV prices prior to launch, I think it's important to wait until we see what it actually costs for different trim levels before making comparisons to the Model Y. That $45,000…

The only thing I'd miss about the MY is the 7-seat feature. I love the fact that you can technically cram two more people in the car on the occasional times when you need to, without needing to drive a giant 7-seat boat. I wish more mid-size electric SUVs did the same.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by dalyons »

baumy wrote: post #100
dalyons wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The RAV4 EV capacity is so small, the electric engine so weak (cuts to gas well before highway speed), and the charge speed so slow, that in practice its a 100% gas car. Only a small number of disciplined owners are going to be able to run it as an EV most of the time, as its actually impractical to do so. It’s a gas car, with greenwashing.

This is completely false. I own one. It goes up to the low 80s mph before the gas engine kicks in. Acceleration from a stop is sub 6 second 0-60. Hardly weak. Charges from fully empty to full in about 2.5 hours. Mine gets a 40-45 mile all electric range. I drive 10-12k miles per year, and ignoring extended multi-day vacation road trips once every couple years, I fill up the tank 2-3 times per year.

Toyotas hybrid uses gas when you accelerate hard to get that 0-60, it’s a combined system horsepower. Unlike phevs, EREVs are only driven by the electric drive, and the gas system is a series generator, so the EV is fully capable & always doing 100% of the work. PHEVs fundamentally aren’t.

Anyway, the real world data from PHEV usage shows you are the outlier, most people don’t bother plugging them in regularly due to their limitations.

Re: Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV

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Post by tempestn »

hnburnsy wrote: post #76

I want Rivian to succeed, more competition is a good thing, but reading about the all the buy backs on r/rivian is disheartening. Tip: do not get Rivian unless a service center is close.

I think insiders would tell you off the record not to get an R1, but that the R2s should be much more robust. Of course it's untested at this point, but hopefully that's the case.
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