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Re: Bazzite Post-Mortem

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Post by digiown »

maeln wrote: post #46

Sometimes I feel like Discord as been nothing but a bane on OSS. A chat is inherently less searchable than a wiki/forum/documentation, and those sources are often readable without needing to authenticate, which meant that you could find an answer through Google and such. Most project now don't bother with publicly readable and archivable (and so offline viewable) information sources and just rely on Discord. This lea…

It is. I'm not a fan of Drew Devault, but I can agree with this article of his:

https://drewdevault.com/2021/12/28/Dont-use-Discord-for-FOSS...

The most salient part:

> Using Discord partitions your community on either side of a walled garden, with one side that’s willing to use the proprietary Discord client, and one side that isn’t. It sets up users who are passionate about free software — i.e. your most passionate contributors or potential contributors — as second-class citizens.

Re: Bazzite Post-Mortem

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Post by jajuuka »

digiown wrote: post #101
maeln wrote: post #46

Sometimes I feel like Discord as been nothing but a bane on OSS. A chat is inherently less searchable than a wiki/forum/documentation, and those sources are often readable without needing to authenticate, which meant that you could find an answer through Google and such. Most project now don't bother with publicly readable and archivable (and so offline viewable) information sources and just rely on Discord. This lea…

It is. I'm not a fan of Drew Devault, but I can agree with this article of his: https://drewdevault.com/2021/12/28/Dont-use-Discord-for-FOSS... The most salient part: > Using Discord partitions your community on either side of a walled garden, with one side that’s willing to use the proprietary Discord client, and one side that isn’t. It sets up users who are passionate about free software — i.e. your most passionate…

Wouldn't any platform have the same problem though? A forum would partition the community between those willing to make an account and submit private information and those who aren't. It seems like no matter what platform you choose there will always be those who are willing to participate and those who are not.

Re: Bazzite Post-Mortem

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Post by digiown »

jajuuka wrote: post #102
digiown wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is. I'm not a fan of Drew Devault, but I can agree with this article of his: https://drewdevault.com/2021/12/28/Dont-use-Discord-for-FOSS... The most salient part: > Using Discord partitions your community on either side of a walled garden, with one side that’s willing to use the proprietary Discord client, and one side that isn’t. It sets up users who are passionate about free software — i.e. your most passionate…

Wouldn't any platform have the same problem though? A forum would partition the community between those willing to make an account and submit private information and those who aren't. It seems like no matter what platform you choose there will always be those who are willing to participate and those who are not.

Not quite. Discord is a lot more invasive with their info collection than, let's say Github or Matrix servers. Second, the info posted to Github is accessible without account, which is not true of Discord.

Re: Bazzite Post-Mortem

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Post by hysan »

hiprob wrote: post #37
micromacrofoot wrote: post #28

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was publicly being rude to the point of making other contributors leave (even after being asked to stop) and at least one case of using a slur they said it themselves in this post > Yes, I know I am hard to work with. Yes, I know that I pushed certain OSS contributors away. generally the kind of person that gives open source a bad reputation, you can be critical or anti-social without being an asshole

what about linus torvalds

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/09/linus-torvalds-apolo...

Re: Bazzite Post-Mortem

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Post by rtaylorgarlock »

malicka wrote: post #67
hiprob wrote: post #37

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what about linus torvalds

You can be Dr. House MD only when you have the rep and skills of Dr. House MD. I think Linus definitely cleared that threshold.

Boy i wish that principle held up in real medicine and other parts of life; "rep and skills" may in some ways equal power, but that false equivalency is how problematic behavior is excused in unfit individuals.

Re: Bazzite Post-Mortem

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Post by ta9000 »

dismalaf wrote: post #99
ta9000 wrote: post #96

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The latest version (with support through 2029) was released last month. It installed and runs flawlessly. https://www.linuxmint.com/rel_zena_whatsnew.php

It's literally based on a 2 year old Ubuntu LTS... This is what I mean. It's very outdated.

So what’s your alternative?

Re: Bazzite Post-Mortem

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Post by squigz »

jajuuka wrote: post #98
Forgeties79 wrote: post #91

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>He said some mean words. I guarantee you I can say some mean words that would upset you at some point. If you have to repeatedly deal with it, you'd likely leave the space we share or ask someone to make me leave. Words have power, we shouldn't pretend otherwise.

1. Being called an idiot or told my idea is dumb is not going to upset me. I guess I just have more emotional maturity than some OSS devs. 2. Why would I leave when I can just block you if you are harassing me? 3. Why are you inventing this hypothetical instead of just showing where that occurred? 4. No-one has said words don't have power. But being on the internet you should be able to recognize that you won't be fr…

> 1. Being called an idiot or told my idea is dumb is not going to upset me. I guess I just have more emotional maturity than some OSS devs.

Alternatively, other people just have more respect for themselves (and others) than to stand to repeatedly be called an idiot.

Re: Bazzite Post-Mortem

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Post by hysan »

Linking related post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46818467

AFAIK, removing Antheas from Bazzite opened the door to discussions for forming the OGC. Prior to that, Antheas had created such difficult situations that many of the member groups in the OGC did not collaborate with Bazzite because of his presence. Whether or not the OGC actually works (ex: getting patches upstreamed faster), only time will tell.

Re: Bazzite Post-Mortem

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Post by tapoxi »

ta9000 wrote: post #106
dismalaf wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's literally based on a 2 year old Ubuntu LTS... This is what I mean. It's very outdated.

So what’s your alternative?

Bazzite or Cachy

Mint won't even boot for me because it doesn't support my year old GPU (9070 XT). That's a huge miss when someone is looking at an OS primarily for gaming.

Re: Bazzite Post-Mortem

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Post by ThatMedicIsASpy »

mhitza wrote: post #25

I guess the good thing about Bazzite, CachyOS, Omarchy and what have you, is that it brings new users to Linux. I would still like to see most users pick established distros, as contributions there have a higher impact on the ecosystem. But self-named gamers are probably harder to reason with.

The good part of Bazzite is I can just rebase to fedora kinoite and continue to be happy.
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