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Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Why would I condemn people who were wiped by your ancestors? They were the locals, you’re just… temporary. You don’t even care for the land!

There is no single "the locals", every tribe represented a different polity. They warred with each other constantly and conquered and took over land all the time. There is no part of the continent that is held by the original human that arrived here first. Every part has been conquered and reconquered many times. The Europeans are just the latest conquerors. Except in the cases where they literally bought the land. Which also happened.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

#102
post #92

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Oh no, immigrants! What a terrible issue. Let’s worry about that rather than the problems created by wealthy people who are citizens of this country. Every person who cares deeply about immigration unknowingly signals that their priorities are bullshit.

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> People who think immigration isn't important are just ignorant about culture and the reasons some societies are more successful than others.

Neighborhood dogs are barking for some reason!

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

#103
post #49

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Yes, he should definitely choose to ditch his US citizen wife and move to a place she probably can’t reside or work legally. /s If the government kept you in a tent camp and said you could just sign some papers and be free to leave without your family, would you?

> move to a place she probably can’t reside legally Are you suggesting that Ireland is even more strict on immigration than the US is?

After some research, it might be fairly simple for them to get into Ireland and fairly simple for her to get permission to stay as a spouse of an Irish citizen. Her getting a work permit may be a lot harder, so it may not be viable for them to survive there, especially if he's going in jobless too.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Due process under the US Constitution protects everyone in the US, not just US citizens.

I think you misspoke. “Protects” is a statement of fact which does not resemble current facts. “is supposed to protect” would be more accurate.

The as built does not currently match the plan provided by the constitution and rule of law. Please see your nearest democratic representative to address the problem.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

#105
post #81

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That does not make any sense. They just offered him the chance to waive the court process and go back to Ireland immediately. It does not mean that he must be here legally . It just means that a court will have to make that determination before any further steps can be taken.

If he had been found to be here illegally, they would not need him to voluntarily consent to being deported. I hope that's obvious.

I know it sounds crazy, but they do need his consent to being deported.

Coming to the U.S. under the Visa Waiver Program means you waive any rights you have to claim asylum, etc. This guy admits he came here under Visa waiver, and that he overstayed his visa by years. But they still can’t deport him, because he’s raising new legal arguments based on being married to a US citizen.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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> People who think immigration isn't important are just ignorant about culture and the reasons some societies are more successful than others. Neighborhood dogs are barking for some reason!

No whistling: some cultures are better adapted to developing modern democratic societies than others. That’s not even a controversial statement: https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/09/joseph-henric...

“One of the points I want to make is a lot of the big institutions we think about, like Western law or representative government, actually flow, in part, from the way people think about the world. It wasn’t that people invented these institutions first and then they began to think about the world differently. Rather, this was a kind of evolving process where people began to think about the world a little bit differently because their families had been transformed, so they tended to adopt different kinds of laws and think about new kinds of laws to account for this. As European societies became increasingly dominated by monogamous nuclear families in the High Middle Ages, for instance, the laws being created centered increasingly on the individual and on their intentions, rights, and obligations as separate from their kin groups. Those laws then shaped the world that they subsequently grew up in even more, and you had this kind of coevolution between our psychology on one hand and our social norms and institutions on the other.”

That’s in the Harvard Gazette from September 2020! The book was covered in the New York Times and Psychology Today. So what’s with the innuendo?

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

#107
post #92

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Oh no, immigrants! What a terrible issue. Let’s worry about that rather than the problems created by wealthy people who are citizens of this country. Every person who cares deeply about immigration unknowingly signals that their priorities are bullshit.

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America is a nation of immigrants, including Stephen Miller's grandparents. People have tried to make this sort of argument in the past when they didn't want poor Irish, Germans, Italians, Asians looking for opportunity, not to mention there's always been a Latino immigrant population.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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What harm was he doing being here for 20 years? Was he engaged in criminal activities? If not, then I just don't see the point in detaining people who have a life here. Have him jump through the hoops to acquire legal status, that's fine. But deportation is cruel. The US is not in danger of being overpopulated. The whole narrative of dangerous illegals over running the country is a far-right boogey man.

That is a moral argument, not a legal one. Plenty of people would call what you are describing a moral hazard to be avoided. I imagine the people who are going through the process legally would be especially outraged.

You go through the legal process to make sure you have all the rights of being here legally and don't have to continue worrying about it. That doesn't mean someone who's status changes over time should be detained and deported simply because they're no longer here legally or their legality is in dispute. There are other ways to handle it.

Why be outraged at someone else's status? People migrate for all sorts of reasons.

Re: Irish man detained by ICE for 5 months

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Increasingly this seems like a scam intended to re-route my tax dollars into the private prison corporations that donate to the Trump campaign. What purpose other purpose could this possibly serve?

An extremely charitable take. I commend you.

It’s absolutely a scam intended to route our tax dollars to private prisons. The rest is theater.

I bet the borders are still open to those who are motivated enough to cross.

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