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Unsealed court documents show teen addiction was big tech's "top priority"

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Re: Unsealed court documents show teen addiction was big tech's "top priority"

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Post by uniq7 »

sagacity wrote: post #89
uniq7 wrote: post #74

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More like saying parents are at fault when a gun salesman enters their home every day, talks for hours with their children, and sells them weapons. Have these parents tried to not let the salesman in?

Your argument is conflating smart phones with social media apps and you seem to be assuming that kids wouldn't have access to their phone in other locations where they are unsupervised, subject to peer pressure, etc. The "just say no" argument, basically.

Devices and networks can be configured with parental controls, and the blockage doesn't need to be 100% effective. The kid accessing Facebook from a friend's phone 15 mins a day is tolerable, while giving them access to drugs or a gun 15 mins a day is not.

There is also the education part that for some reason we are ignoring. Kids are going to be able to access drugs in locations where they are unsupervised, they are going to be subject to peer pressure, etc. The job of the parents is to prepare them for that, as they should prepare them for the negative effects of social media.

Re: Unsealed court documents show teen addiction was big tech's "top priority"

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Post by rightbyte »

uniq7 wrote: post #74
sagacity wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is like saying parents are at fault when a gun salesman sells a weapon to their 12 year old.

More like saying parents are at fault when a gun salesman enters their home every day, talks for hours with their children, and sells them weapons. Have these parents tried to not let the salesman in?

The salesman is at their friends place. And is a prerequisite for soccer team meetups. Etc. You need most parents to cooperate to bar him... but yeah I guess being prudent at home helps.

Re: Unsealed court documents show teen addiction was big tech's "top priority"

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Post by rightbyte »

ares623 wrote: post #42
uniq7 wrote: post #26

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The problem is when government's solutions go through identifying everyone and collaterally tracking their actions. In the same way parents can be blamed for not keeping their children safe around guns/alcohol/drugs, they should also be blamed for not keeping the children out of digital dangers, and keep mandatory age verifications out of here.

Problem is that social media doesn’t have negative connotations like guns/alcohol/drugs do. That makes it hard or impossible for individual parents to restrict it. They are perceived as crazy or paranoid or controlling. Plus if their child does opt out of social media, they become a social outcast from their peers who are still on it, which is a worse outcome for the child. It almost sounds like multiple parents from…

> Plus if their child does opt out of social media, they become a social outcast from their peers who are still on it, which is a worse outcome for the child.

I don't think that is the case any more since social media isn't social like it used to be?

Re: Unsealed court documents show teen addiction was big tech's "top priority"

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Post by Throwaway12907 »

eimrine wrote: post #83

Why Zuckerberg is any better than the jeevacation? Both cases makes teens as victims, both cases was a great deal for them but only from the first look. Both cases are piramid-like schemes when the victims attract new victims to keep benefitting from the system. Is it just like in alcohol case, when having too many victims justifies a bad spirit as the new norm?

He's arguably even worse if we consider just how much harm social media has done to teens and kids, but I'm sure the Meta folk here would prefer to believe that that's not the case. "Just following orders", right?

Re: Unsealed court documents show teen addiction was big tech's "top priority"

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Post by reaperducer »

betaby wrote: post #48
reaperducer wrote: post #39

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The way I read it, he takes issue with your assertion that "nobody bats an eye" at sugar in Coke. This is quite the opposite of everything I've ever seen in my entire life in America. Or perhaps since you mention sugar, not corn syrup, and list quantities in kilograms not pounds or tons, he suspects you may not actually have first-hand experience with this.

> you may not actually have first-hand experience Sigh ( in canadian )

Thank you for proving my point. Unless Obama was also president of Canada. I may have missed that.

Re: Unsealed court documents show teen addiction was big tech's "top priority"

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Post by dylan604 »

antiframe wrote: post #51
tokyobreakfast wrote: post #45

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Well the narrative has already been promulgated that they are "anti-science" so it's being ignored. Sugar is good. Hey Mom, send down more Pixie Stix!!

You must run in different circles than I, most people I know have reduced their added sugar consumption. My point was that there has been a swelling wave of anti-sugar sentiment over the last decades and it's reach the point were even RFK loudly said sugar is bad. That's the opposite of "no one bat's an eye". Of course people will ignore all sorts of advice for all sorts of reasons, but the sentiment (as shown by the…

The Coke Classic is still selling. Coke Zero has not replaced Classic. Both "no one bat's an eye" and your use of "most people" (even with the "I know" qualifier) are clearly extremes of both sides of the conversation being intentionally used. The fact that things like Diet, Zero, etc version of Coke and other soft drinks exist show people are paying attention to sugar. The fact that sugary products are still being purchased shows that not everyone has changed their habits.

Shouting extreme positions doesn't really move the conversation

Re: Unsealed court documents show teen addiction was big tech's "top priority"

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Post by NickC25 »

worik wrote: post #59
sharts wrote: post #9

This is obvious for anyone that understands sales and marketing. The real question isn’t whether this was true—the question is why does anyone expect this revelation would change anything? They made their wealth. They bought their politicians. In the worst possible case for them they would pay some fee that amounts to absolutely nothing making a dent in their personal day to day lives as a consequence of their action…

> In the worst possible case for them they would pay some fee that amounts to absolutely nothing making a dent in their personal day to day lives as a consequence of their actions. Probably, not definitely It would be possible to put the executives in jail.

Possibly, yes, but those executives have enough money to cut a deal to not only stay out of jail, but to also fund the re-election campaign for the DA + prosecution team, and to also give a job to the prosecutor's cousin, sibling, and/or in-law.

Re: Unsealed court documents show teen addiction was big tech's "top priority"

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Post by dylan604 »

reorder9695 wrote: post #69
jmusall wrote: post #28

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I think the possibility of banning certain sites at least for minors is being discussed, after Australia set the precedent. But this of course has downsides, too, as some form of verification has to be implemented, that would almost certainly reduce anonymity and carry risks to personal data protection. A complete ban is unrealistic since people actually like to use these platforms. Plus, it would certainly entail ma…

Does that outweigh the loss of privacy involved? I really don't think it does personally, I should not have to show anyone ID to have an Instagram account, privacy and anonymity is a feature not a bug.

To me, the claim of privacy is the wrong concept. Anonymous would be a better description. People are posting things on a public website to be viewed by the public.

Re: Unsealed court documents show teen addiction was big tech's "top priority"

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Post by reaperducer »

malfist wrote: post #49
reaperducer wrote: post #34

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I've always wondered if her initiative, which caused some big food companies to reduce fat and salt in their products, and change their frying media, is the reason for the rise of Sriracha in America. My theory is that the food tasted less flavorful, so people compensated by adding their own. I don't eat a lot of junk food, but for a long time after the Obama administration, when I did partake, often my immediate rea…

Can you point to any examples of big food companies actually making changes for Michelle Obama's campaign?

First two results from this new-fangled thing they call a "search engine:"

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768807?re...

https://www.vox.com/2016/10/3/12866484/michelle-obama-childh...

Re: Unsealed court documents show teen addiction was big tech's "top priority"

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Post by idle_zealot »

lostlogin wrote: post #5
idle_zealot wrote: post #4

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Anyone paying attention knew. A smoking gun means that legal action is possible. Or it would be in a better time.

It might, but would that achieve much? Tobacco has done ok.

Algorithmicly personalized social media becoming as stigmatized as smoking would be an amazing outcome, and is a great goal for regulators.
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