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A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by anonymous908213 »

thousand_nights wrote: post #93
anonymous908213 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sam altman types like this, so this is what is cool to the agi believers.

this is cultural appropriation, i learned to type like this on irc in the 90s also i don't want to be mistaken for a phone poster

There are two notable differences between when the AGI-posters do it and when IRC-posters do it. AGI-posters extend their lowercase posting to what would normally be seen as more formal communication. They also tend to stick to using punctuation despite the lowercase. IRC posters usually keep it to informal communications, where it's a sign of casualness. That said, there is overlap, and it's of course not possible to instantly distinguish someone as a Sama devotee because of how they type; but it is clear that a lot of people in that bubble are intentionally adopting the style.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by Octoth0rpe »

the_af wrote: post #53
Octoth0rpe wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First time I've seen it. It will be interesting to see if that trends. I can think of at least one previous case where internet writing style overturned centuries of english conventions: we used to put a double space after each period. The web killed that due to double spaces requiring extra work (&nbsp, etc), and at this point I think word processors now follow the convention. It's always useful to check oneself and…

> First time I've seen it. It will be interesting to see if that trends. It's not a new trend, I'm surprised you never noticed it. It dates back to at least a decade. It's mostly used to signal informal/hipster speak, i.e. you're writing as you would type in a chat window (or Twitter), without care for punctuation or syntax. It already trends among a certain generation of people. I hate it, needless to say. Anything…

> I'm surprised you never noticed it

Probably due to social circles/age.

> I hate it, needless to say.

It certainly invokes a innate sense of wrongness to me, but I encourage you (and myself) to accept the natural evolution of language and not become the angry old person on your lawn yelling about dabbing/yeeting/6-7/whatever the kids say today.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by kaicianflone »

okinok wrote: post #7

>all delegation involves risk. with a human assistant, the risks include: intentional misuse (she could run off with my credit card), accidents (her computer could get stolen), or social engineering (someone could impersonate me and request information from her). One of the differences in risk here would be that I think you got some legal protection if your human assistant misuse it, or it gets stolen. But, with the…

That liability gap is exactly the problem I’m trying to solve. Humans have contracts and insurance. Agents have nothing. I’m working on a system that adds economic stake, slashing, and "auditability" to agent decisions so risk is bounded before delegation, not argued about after. https://clawsens.us

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by yunohn »

defgeneric wrote: post #97
cj wrote: post #26

Tangent: what is the appeal of the “no capitalization” writing style? I never know what message the author is intending to convey when I see all lower case. Normally I can ignore it, but the font on this blog makes it hard to distinguish where sentences start and end (the period is very small and faint).

You mention the technical aspect (readability) and others have suggested the aesthetic, but you could also look at it as a form of rhetoric . I'm not sure it's really effective because it sort of grates on the ear for anyone over 35, but maybe there's a point in distinguishing itself from AI sloptext. Incidentally, millenials also used the "no caps" style but mainly for "marginalia" (at most paragraph-length notes, o…

> but maybe there's a point in distinguishing itself from AI sloptext

Surprisingly, I have seen lower case AI slop - like anything else, can be prompted and made to happen!

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by kaicianflone »

ericyd wrote: post #14

Wait I'm ignorant, how long has OpenClaw/Clawdbot existed? This person listed like 6 months of activities that they offloaded to the bot, I thought this thing was pretty new.

OpenClaw utilizes AgentSkills designed by Anthropic so OpenClaw is plug and play with certain APIs and integrations.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by mmahemoff »

Giving access to "my bank account", which I take to mean one's primary account, feels like high risk for relatively low upside. It's easy to open a new bank (or pseudo-bank) account, so you can isolate the spend and set a budget or daily allowance (by sending it funds daily). Some newer payment platforms will let you setup multiple cards and set a separate policy on each one.

An additional benefit of isolating the account is it would help to limit damage if it gets frozen and cancelled. There's a non-zero chance your bot-controlled account gets flagged for "unusual activity".

I can appreciate there's also very high risk in giving your bot access to services like email, but I can at least see the high upside to thrillseeking Claw users. Creating a separate, dedicated, mail account would ruin many automation use cases. It matters when a contact receives an email from an account they've never seen before. In contrast, Amazon will happily accept money from a new bank account as long as it can go through the verification process. Bank accounts are basically fungible commodities, can easily be switched as long as you have a mechanism to keep working capital available.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by mh2266 »

> amongst smart people i know there's a surprisingly high correlation between those who continue to be unimpressed by AI and those who use a hobbled version of it

is it "hobbled" to:

1. not give an LLM access to personal finances 2. not allow everyone in the world a write channel to the prompt (reading messages/email)

I mean, okay. Good luck I guess.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by dcre »

Fine article but a very important fact comes in at the end — the author has a human personal assistant. It doesn't fundamentally change anything they wrote, but it shows how far out of the ordinary this person is. They were a Thiel Fellow in 2020 and graduated from Phillips Exeter, roughly the most elite high school in the US.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by AlienRobot »

cj wrote: post #26

Tangent: what is the appeal of the “no capitalization” writing style? I never know what message the author is intending to convey when I see all lower case. Normally I can ignore it, but the font on this blog makes it hard to distinguish where sentences start and end (the period is very small and faint).

>I never know what message the author is intending to convey when I see all lower case.

JUST IMAGINE A FACEBOOK POST THAT IS WRITTEN IN ALL CAPS AND THEN INVERT THAT IMAGINATION.

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