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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by EngineerUSA »

Bender wrote: post #99
SilverElfin wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given America passed PAFACA (intended to ban TikTok, which Trump instead put in hands of his friends), I would think Europe would also have a similar law. Is that not the case?

Are you talking about this [1]? I don't know the answer to your question whether or not the EU has the same policy. That is talking about control by a foreign adversary. I think that would delve into whether or not the USA would be considered a foreign adversary to France. I was under the impression we were allies since like the 1800s or so despite some little tiffs now and again. [1] - https://www.congress.gov/bill/…

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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by cwillu »

pirates wrote: post #61
cwillu wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or “regulators don't understand the technology; short of turning it off entirely, there's nothing we can do to prevent it entirely, and the costs involved in attempting to reduce it are much greater than the likely fine, especially given that we're likely to receive such a fine anyway.”

They could shut it off out of a sense of decency and respect, wtf kind of defense is this?

You appear to have lost the thread (or maybe you're replying to things directly from the newcomments feed? If so, please stop it.), we're talking about what sort of incriminating written statements the raid might hope to discover.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by orwin »

Altern4tiveAcc wrote: post #53

> Prosecutors say they are now investigating whether X has broken the law across multiple areas. This step could come before a police raid. This looks like plain political pressure. No lives were saved, and no crime was prevented by harassing local workers.

France prosecutors use police raids way more than other western countries. Banks, political parties, ex-presidents, corporate HQs, worksites... Here, while white-collar crimes are punished as much as in the US (i.e very little), we do at least investigate them.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

#104

Post by 93po »

cwillu wrote: post #97
whamlastxmas wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm strongly against CSAM but I will say this analogy doesn't quite hold (though the values behind it does) Libel must be as assertion that is not true. Photoshopping or AIing someone isn't an assertion of something untrue. It's more the equivalent of saying "What if this is true?" which is perfectly legal

“ 298 (1) A defamatory libel is matter published, without lawful justification or excuse, that is likely to injure the reputation of any person by exposing him to hatred, contempt or ridicule, or that is designed to insult the person of or concerning whom it is published. Marginal note:Mode of expression (2) A defamatory libel may be expressed directly or by insinuation or irony (a) in words legibly marked on any sub…

You're quoting Canadian law.

In the US it varies by state but generally requires:

A false statement of fact (not opinion, hyperbole, or pure insinuation without a provably false factual core).

Publication to a third party.

Fault

Harm to reputation

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In the US it is required that it is written (or in a fixed form). If it's not written (fixed), it's slander, not libel.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

#106

Post by direwolf20 »

Bender wrote: post #99
SilverElfin wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given America passed PAFACA (intended to ban TikTok, which Trump instead put in hands of his friends), I would think Europe would also have a similar law. Is that not the case?

Are you talking about this [1]? I don't know the answer to your question whether or not the EU has the same policy. That is talking about control by a foreign adversary. I think that would delve into whether or not the USA would be considered a foreign adversary to France. I was under the impression we were allies since like the 1800s or so despite some little tiffs now and again. [1] - https://www.congress.gov/bill/…

EngineerUSA needs to vastly change his tone to avoid being flagged. I vouched it because it's broadly true but the wording could be a LOT better.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

#107

Post by FireBeyond »

Bender wrote: post #95
SilverElfin wrote: post #93

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In my opinion I think the reason they raided the offices for CSAM would be there are laws on the books for CSAM and not for social manipulation. If people could be jailed for manipulation there would be no social media platforms, lobbyists, political campaign groups or advertisements. People are already being manipulated by AI. On a related note given AI is just a tool and requires someone to tell it to make CSAM I t…

I had to make a choice to not even use Grok (I wasn't overly interested in the first place, but wanted to review how it might compare to the other tools), because even just the Explore option shows photos and videos of CSAM, CSAM-adjacent, and other "problematic" things in a photorealistic manner (such as implied bestiality).

Looking at the prompts below some of those image shows that even now, there's almost zero effort at Grok to filter prompts that are blatantly looking to create problematic material. People aren't being sneaky and smart and wordsmithing subtle cues to try to bypass content filtering, they're often saying "create this" bluntly and directly, and Grok is happily obliging.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

#108

Post by lokar »

chrisjj wrote: post #88
afavour wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You and I must have different definitions of the word “immediately”. The article you posted is from January 15th. Here is a story from January 2nd: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c98p1r4e6m8o > Have the other AI companies followed suit? They were also allowing users to undress real people No they weren’t? There were numerous examples of people feeding the same prompts to different AIs and having their requests ref…

> Which is an entirely different legal liability. In UK, it is entirely the same. Near zero. Making/distributing a photo of a non-consenting bikini-wearer is no more illegal when originated by computer in bedroom than done by camera on public beach.

I thought this was about France
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